Democrat woman at age 30 vs Republican woman at age 30
Forgive me for not knowing the source of that artwork. Somebody “shared” it on Facebook with Ali Akbar, and it was funny: The contrast between GOP congressional candidate Mia Love and Sandra Fluke is rather illuminating, yes?
~ Robert Stacy McCain displaying a recent internet photoshop of Republican congressional candidate from Utah, Mia Love, and poor Sandra Fluke of I-want-free-birth-control fame, The Other McCain, September 1
Sep.03, 2012 6:00 am |
Contraception, Feminism |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I don’t really think being in school at thirty should be portrayed as a bad thing. People don’t get to go to school when they are young for a variety of reasons.f course, begging for a mandate is pretty entitled but I just think the school thing is a bad example.
Sandra is Julia.
Mia is definitely not.
I agree some ppl get to school late, at 34 I am just going back. But I am not STILL in school. I did other things in the years between high school and college. I think that is the difference
I am certainly not a Fluke fan, but she is in law school, not college.
I LOVE it. And I believe it is spot on. If she’s gone back to school after a hiatus, nothing’s been said about what she did in between, so there’s apparently little distinction there. Also, I have a friend who works for the EPA, (for the government no less), and you know what is not covered for her? Her *ASTHMA* meds. She’d rather have that than birth control, esp she is an unmarried nonuser.
Grace, you identified one of the most unfair results of the mandate – women who do not use conception will have to pay for the contraception of women who do. You could have a poor, responsible woman paying for the contraception of an immature, rich, and irresponsible woman. It doesn’t seem fair to me. Lifestyle choices should not be paid for by the government.
Well tomorrow I start working on my MSW part time and I’m 54!
The college thing is a non-issue, no one should take it personally, but the underlying message is this:
the democratic national convention is going to be a sad farce put on by self serving selfish people who will earn votes if they make the self-serving, selfish voters feel better about themselves
One of the top items on the GOP agenda is to overturn legislation so that anybody can go without health insurance, and if they need emergency care, can legally demand care (see EMTALA) from medical facilities and leave the payment to those who are insured.
Make all the cute little bumper sticker type pictures you want. That’s the bottom line. ”Responsibility” and the current GOP don’t go as well together as it once did.
We all know this picture is bs because there is no such thing as black or female Republicans, let only those that are both. ;)
We all know this picture is bs because there is no such thing as black or female Republicans, let only those that are both. ;)
EG: Still false-flagging Stanek?
Seriously, dude. I don’t believe you give a damn about the unborn.
Your entire profile seems architected, an unlikely assemblage of conflicted loyalties — unlikely because their relative valence by any sane judgment ought to be quite other than you’re showcasing.
I don’t believe you’re “ex-GOP” at all. You’re a construct.
Any ideas for how you could establish your bona fides against such settled suspicions?
It’s not about being in school at 30, it’s about being in school at 30 and demanding the Federal Government pay for her birth control.
Rasqual -
Was I supposed to take this thread off in a different direction and talk about abortion – or was I supposed to stay on topic?
I actually don’t care at all about your suspicions – I don’t know a thing about you – I would guess a 57 year old man. Am I close?
If you’d rather attack me though than actually construct a counterpoint, that’s your choice. My choice is to read the posts and comment on them, as I did here – in which I disagree with the post.
I have no idea why I find this whole “false flag” accusation thing so amusing, but it cracks me up every time.
How bout neither party is the party of responsibility? They both vote for pork and waste our tax dollars. They both have immoral members. And responsible members.
My sister-in-law is a flaming liberal. I can’t stand her politics but i will say in her defense she is college educated and a producer for CNN. She works very long hard hours and is responsible with her money. She is also very generous and supports many charities with her time and money. She is a good person imo even though I don’t know how she can stomach voting for Obama.
Then there are Republicans who cheat on their wives etc…
You can’t pick out a member here and there and think it “proves” anything. There are some sucky Democrats and some sucky Republicans and unfortunately those sucky politicians are calling all the shots. Which is why I’m not a member of either party.
Wow, how many times can I ‘like’ Sydney’s comment?
Ex-GOP, I actually asked a question.
Any ideas for how you could establish your bona fides against such settled suspicions?
Yes – you’d have to travel to Wisconsin and meet me and my family.
On a board where everyone is anonymous and you have predispositions against anybody that doesn’t fall in line with your reasoning, I can’t think of anything that is going to settle your suspicions.
In my 10:48 post, “only” should read “alone”. D’oh!
How far north of the border are you?
“How far north of the border are you?”
Toronto, what causes you to ask?
What this graphic really drives home is that the GOP is the party that detests higher education, at least for women, and loves inflexible, archaic gender roles. Getting married and popping out babies in your twenties? Good! Going to law school? Bad!
Ooooh, joan’s dog whistling — signalling her racist allies here that black women are not highly educated, that they’re domestic waifs popping out too many kids (consistent with PP’s disproportionate focus on abortions for blacks). Must also be joan’s bigotry against brown-skinned immigrants — not to mention Mormons. But white academics — yeah, they’re dandy.
Wow. The racism is incredible from joan and her ilk at times.
On a serious note, isn’t it something the way progressives deem conservative women dogs, pro-life conservative women bitches, and black conservative women something like the dog kennel scene in The Thing?
Ex-GOP,
Hey! What’s wrong with 57-year-old men? :)
They had complete control of all three branches of government for the first two years and 2 out of 3 branches for the next two years and openly state that they see no need for a budget this year or the next four years. Their platform this year is that we shouldn’t even try and balance the budget. wtf. It is not just irresponsibility; this is fiscal rape.
rasqual,
Yeah, the Left has no need for “code words”. It’s all right there in the open, if you can stomach listening to it.
“Look to the skies!” Love that film.
as a woman with an BS in math and an MBA, joan really does not know what she is talking about…
The better example with this should have been that the entitlement mentality of an extremely talented, smart woman who is attending law school, who thinks the thing to be fighting for is contraception (and abortion) being paid by her Catholic University, vs a woman who values family, is equally smart, but is seeking to fight for responsibility for her family and other families. We should not compare their intellectual prowess because both women are smart and capable. We should however compare and contrast what they do with that gift, especially when we consider Ms. Fluke and the hill that she chose to die on.
entitlement vs responsibility, yes – but why fight for entitlement for contraception when one can easily afford it? why not fight for life-saving drugs like insulin, etc and make that the platform? it’s because Fluke et al want the special interest groups like Planned Parenthood and their supporters to trump all others, even her University, which she chose to attend. If it was so important to her, she could have chosen another school, but that would not have made as many waves or as much press.
I find it’s amazing that the Democrats are willing to continue to champion this, until the end. Do they have so little a record to brag about that we must not look at the details of the Obama presidency? I’m not surprised that Ms. Fluke and Ms. Richards will appear on the DNC platform, but I am disappointed that they are. We certainly deserve more.
I’m saying this as a former Democrat.
More proof of the anti-woman pro-abortion agenda is Joan’s comment. Popping out babies!? That simply shrieks “post abortive syndrome”!! You think abortion is a hard experience but childbirth and raising children is somehow as easy as falling off a log. Nothing could be further from the truth. The deep ingratitude that you and other pro-choicers show your mothers is a sad, sad thing to witness.
Having children is the hardest job in the world. That’s why pro-choicers want to continue to shirk their responsibility.
Well, the original title for this post was “Responsibility vs. Entitlement”, which I think falls in line more with some of the comments made here; namely, that it’s the attitude that is fostered by the parties, more than the R or D after their name.
Cuz goodness knows there are some Republicans that certainly feel entitled to spending their way as opposed to the Democrat way.
“You could have a poor, responsible woman paying for the contraception of an immature, rich, and irresponsible woman.”
And you can have a poor, responsible woman paying for the Viagra of an immarture, rich, and irresponsible man. Oh, right, Viagra makes babies – clap hands. (Keep that quiver full!!!!) And Tyler, I know that youy’re a Catholic who believes that sex, outside marriage, is a ”mortal sin” but Catholic (and heretical non-Catholic) married women practice birth control. It’s not just those unmarried sluts (NB- use of Limbaugh term) who have abandoned themselves to orgiastic pleasure.
And BTW, it’s the health insurers (who seem to have little problem with the mandate) who are paying for the birth control coverage. (It’s cheaper than covering pregnancies and childbirth). And another BTW, Georgetown (in addition to other Catholic colleges) already pays for birth control coverage for their emplyees and that’s part of the inequity that Fluke was speaking about.
One more BTW, those “sluts” are now getting their birth control without co-payment. Could that be anyone in your inner circle. Oh, right. You folks don’t play that. Sex for babies and not for pleasure. Is there any question as to why the “pro-life” movement is considered a bizarre, medieval cult?
“who thinks the thing to be fighting for is contraception (and abortion) being paid by her Catholic University”
Joy, you really need to speak to those Jesuits about why they pay for birth control for their employees. On wait, birth control is a great, big sin…
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/27/472632/georgetown-birth-control/
“Wow. The racism is incredible from joan and her ilk at times.”
Sister Song of Color begs to differ with you. They believe that black women are not being coerced into abortions and that black women are able to determine what they think is best for the particular situation. And BTW, MLK, Jr. was the recipient of an award from Planned Parenthood.
as a woman with an BS in math and an MBA, joan really does not know what she is talking about…
Hey, I’m going for my honours degree in math! Why are there so many math people on this site?
LOL
“Recipient of an award from Planned Parenthood.”
Every morning when he woke up, for some weird reason the award had tipped over on its face during the night…
CC’s posts really must be read while listening to Steve Vai’s Bad Horsie. She even has a cameo in the last few seconds!
Add me to the math list! I’m in a graduate mathematics program right now. :)
CC. where do you think the insurance companies are going to get the money to pay for the contraception purchased under the insurance coverage that they provide? Could it be from the insurance premiums they charge? Finally, who do you think is going to pay those premiums? That’s right – the American public – which includes poor woman who don’t use contraception.
Why does every American woman need to have their contraception paid for by the government/American public?
Will the government/American public be responsible to cover the cost of all of the mastectomies that result from drugging the majority of American women via oral contraceptive pills?
How indebted to Big Daddy Government do women really want to become? Don’t they want some independence, some autonomy?
“You can’t pick out a member here and there and think it “proves” anything. There are some sucky Democrats and some sucky Republicans and unfortunately those sucky politicians are calling all the shots. Which is why I’m not a member of either party.”
I hear ya, Sydney M, but Sandra Fluke is not a random democrat – she is CHAMPIONED by the democrat party. It is my understanding she is speaking at the DNC. Individual people and actions, for better or worse, does not affect what the platform, political or otherwise, stands for. Sandra Fluke does embody progressive ideals, and Mia Love conservative principles. It’s about standards.
CC says: “And BTW, it’s the health insurers (who seem to have little problem with the mandate) who are paying for the birth control coverage. “
And once again CC ignores the fact that many employers self-insure (therefore, they are the health insurers) and they do have problems with the mandate. In fact, many are suing over it. Ah, those inconvenient facts.
John Drake says:
September 3, 2012 at 9:22 am
I am certainly not a Fluke fan, but she is in law school, not college.
John Drake,
Georgetown University Law School IS college. Why do you claim that it is not?
joan says:
September 3, 2012 at 3:13 pm
What this graphic really drives home is that the GOP is the party that detests higher education, at least for women, and loves inflexible, archaic gender roles. Getting married and popping out babies in your twenties? Good! Going to law school? Bad!
No, Joah, that is false. That is NOT what the GOP is.
During the election of 2004 a survey was taken on voters. The majorty of college educated voters were republicans, the mnority of college educated voters were Democrats-leftists-Kerry supporters.
Nevertheless, if there is one thing I have observed over the past few years it s that so-called Higher Education is rather meaningless as many Democrats tout themselves, and their heroes, as products of higher education, when, in reality, they have proven themselves to be misinformed, ignorant, malicious, and dumber than a box of rocks.
It is funny that Obama supporters know that Sarah Palin is stupid and said, “I can see Russia from my house, but don’t know the canddates, or her background as Alaska’s governor, or that she had more executive experience than Joe Biden, Barack Hussein Obama, or John McCain.
No, Sarah Palin did not say “I can see Russia from my house.” Tina Fey of Saturday Night Live said it, but the brilliant fools who don’t know better think they know that falsehood as true, but did not even know who Biden was, or who Obama was running against, or Obama’s stand supporting late term abortion and infanticide of abortion surviving babies, or Obama’s 20 assocation with black Socialist-Racist-violence and hatred preaching “Pastor” Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s association with terrorist-bomber-murderer Bill Ayers and Benadette Dorn, Obama’s association with Louis Farahkan – racist and hate monger, Obama’s hate and vility the USA tours abroad and behind closed doors with his wealthy, elitist snob supporters, etc.
Regarding “archaic gender roles,” just what are those?
The archaic gender role of becomming pregnant, taking care of one’s health while pregnant in order for baby to be healthy and safe, then giving birth to baby and, with the breasts that a woman has, breastfeeding baby, thus giving baby the ultimate nutritional resource to help baby grow healthy and strong?
Are the archaic roles for a father to stand by his wife, the mother of his babies, support and protect her, and provide for her and baby, and for the wife and mother to stand by her husband as, together they raise their family in love and support?
Yeah, that is really archaic. Better for the woman to jump from bed to bed with many different men, no deep seated love and commitment to any of them, or from any of them, while using artificial, chemical contraceptives paid for by taxpayers, contraceptives which are bad for women’s health, then, if the women becomes pregnant she lets a medical rapist violate her body and butcher her baby, an innocent living human being.
Of course the “Higher Education” for many women is merely “Women’s Studes” and trps to the local performance of “The Vagina Monologues,” and support of the slaughter of babies via elective, induced abortion – chopping, stabbing, slicing, dismembering babies, suctioning them down suction tubes, burning them alive with chemicals, and other forms of violent assault against new, innocent human beings.
Many conservative, and “GOP” women are doctors, lawyers, business owners, etc., but there is nothing wrong, or archaic with traditional, naturally imposed roles of the sexes, such as motherhood, mothers nuturing, nursing, caring for babies and children, being committed to, and in love with her or their husbands.
It’s hardly salutary that someone of Fluke’s mentality is studying to become a lawyer. I mean, seriously. That’s offered somehow in her defense? To the contrary, that’s a lamentable travesty, not some ameliorative fact.
Just need to factcheck a few things from William:
– I’m sure there has been a poll or two backing up what William said – the data that is readily out there though suggests the opposite – college grads typically lean left. The polls from Quinnipiac and Pew back that up in this election cycle as well. What you might have seen William was that Obama, in 08, lost white college grads by 4 percentage points.
– You are correct on Palin – what she said was worse - ”As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border.” Though I’d argue her non-answer on naming newspapers or magazines was even worse.
Ex-GOP,
Here we go again. You think Palin was saying he never travels East to West? If he does go West to East, say from Vladivostok, is it impossible that he crosses the Alaskan border? It was just a “flowery” way of saying that Russia is near Alaska. What’s the problem?
Being fed up with a question is worse than accusing the opposing party of wanting to reinstate slavery?
CC: “Joy, you really need to speak to those Jesuits about why they pay for birth control for their employees. On wait, birth control is a great, big sin…”
An employer that WILLINGLY CHOOSES to cover contraceptives, you mean?
So that’s not what we’re really talking about, is it…
Going back to school (at age 40) for accounting! (Though my undergrad was in art history.)
Couldn’t agree more with what Sydney said about political parties. I can’t bring myself to belong to a Canadian one, and I can’t even imagine being either Democrat or Republican. Libertarian, maybe. But more often than not, I’ve ended up “throwing away” my vote on a fringe party because I just can’t get with any of the majors.
The double whammy!!! A fertile woman WITH kids!!!
Oh if only she had had free birth control!!! if only, if only!!!
Stop the madness.
Sorry, the pics just brought my twisted sense of humor to the service.
Not to overburden you all with facts, but Georgetown University does not contribute any money towards student health premiums. Therefore, the University would not be paying for medications obtained through the student insurance plan.
While I do not necessarily agree with all the comments here, or the image itself (seriously the GOP is polling within statistical error of 0% with African Americans and so that alone really limits how representative this comparison can be), however I am very encouraged at the near complete lack of education bashing that I see on a lot of other sites. Whatever else your disagreements, being in school at 30 (for law school no less) is not unusual, and not a bad thing. Some people need to work for a while to get their stuff together after undergrad, or maybe she went to school part time for financial reasons. Even if she dicked around all the time before now, at least she is trying to improve herself and get a better job.
Agreed, Kyle, on the education thing. What a stupid jab. I never graduated from college. I left to take care of my sick mother and then, because I had forfeited my full scholarship when I left, I worked. And I’m still working. I’m 29. If I’m very lucky, I may go back to school someday.
I’ll tell you one thing, though – if I am ever fortunate enough to be “still in college at 35,” anyone who says that like it’s something I should be ashamed of will get what’s coming to them.
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Kyle,
Um, if that what she was doing “all the time befor now”, no wonder she’s so desperate for free contraceptives.
And what was Republican Mitt Romney doing around age 30? hey was still in college and unemployed with 3 kids at 29! he took time off running away from to draft doing missionary work in France. three years no employment and only a mere 13 converts very productive time. graduated lawschool at age 30 and got his first job with bain.
Here’s an idea, you don’t want to get pregnant…. DON’T HAVE SEX. Or pay for your own birth control.
Its not the point that she’s in school, its the point that she’s silly to assume that her school should be forced to fit the bill for her to have sex.,