Pro-abort dismayed about Pope Francis’ position on life issues
As the Bishop of Argentina, he opposed Argentina’s leadership on birth control access, he is anti-abortion, anti-condom, and anti-LGBT rights. A new pope, but no new policies….
For women and families in the global south, new efforts from a conservative Pope Francis’ church could spell disaster. The Catholic Church has previously denounced spreading information about wearing condoms, and have resisted calls to widen access to contraception in poor countries. With the election of this new, more conservative Pope, all hope that the Church may change their ideology is lost….
And while the new Pope is renowned for his HIV/AIDS work and his outward showing of compassion for the poor, his policies are no less hateful.
~ Blogger Sophia, distraught that recently elected Pope Francis is actually a faithful Catholic, Abortion Gang, March 14
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I’m quite surprised that she’s surprised that the church didn’t surprise us all by surprising the world with a choice that would make surprising changes to the doctrines, ethos and behaviors of the church. I wasn’t surprised, I would have been quite surprised if I had!
“With the election of this new, more conservative, Pope, all hope that the Church may change their ideology is lost” Dear Lord, it is NOT going to happen, ever, stop whinning. Also, it is just Francis, not Francis I :)
You mean the new Pope is CATHOLIC?!?! Catholics chose a Catholic to head the CATHOLIC Church?? What a shock!
I think it’s pretty rich of Sophia to accuse the Chirch of killing people. What does she think an abortion does?
It’s also great irony to see someone hating Catholics for being (allegedly) hateful.
I’m still disappointed that they didn’t elect Cardinal Ouellet. Is that bad?
Well, Sophia sweetheart, I guess you aren’t going to convert to Catholicism any time soon. That’s fine, your perogative. But what right do you have to tell the Catholic church what they should believe. Stay away from them if you don’t agree with them. But the Catholic church has a right to be what it is, whether you agree with it or not.
Water is wet.
”his policies are no less hateful.”
Contrary to popular belief, the definition of hateful is “something I happen to disagree with.”
I don’t think you can consider anti-bc and condom policies “hateful”. Damaging, maybe, that’s a valid debate. But simply having a moral opposition to something doesn’t make it hate.
Not to rational people, Jack.
Like JoAnna, I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that the Pope is Catholic! How could they?!
I think she was expecting Cecile.
I love how shocked and stunned everyone is that the Catholic church didn’t do a public opinion poll before electing the new pope. They picked a guy based on criteria other than who would be the most popular?!? WHAT?!?
Man, those Catholics…what a bunch of squares, amirite?! Guess I’ll just have to keep going to mass on Christmas, Ash Wednesday, Palm Sunday, and Easter. Cuz I’m such a devout Catholic. If they only would’ve elected a pope who was a little less…Catholic…I’d be ALL ABOUT some Catholicism, though!
*sigh*
-Dedicated to joan
Sophia and the entire chorus of insufferable, arrogant fools can now sit down and shut up. They have no idea what they’re talking about, or whom. The Church’s ideology cannot and will not change. The Church will not suddenly begin condoning grave evil today that it condemned yesterday. The truth does not change!
These people need to get it through their heads that the Church belongs to Christ, not them, and all their whining and insults will get them nowhere. Thanks be to God for Pope Francis!
Catholics are against abortion…always have been always will be. The Catholic church understands the sin of abortion and men and women may repent. However sitting in church every Sunday claiming to be Catholic and pro choice does not compute! YOU CANT BE PRO CHOICE and CATHOLIC!!!
Right the church doesn’t push people away people push the church away because they arent going to make acceptions where libs want them made.
Cant rewrite scripture. No abortion no contraception no gay marriage.
I don’t care if someone calls me arrogant, prideful or whatever negative label with which to smack me… but I am LOVING watching these fools cringe, writhe, complain, gnash teeth and feign indignancy, that my beloved Church didn’t bow down to their whims. It’s like a mother has patted her belligerent children on the head and sent them off to go play and leave the adults to chit chat amongst themselves because the children are obviously too immature to understand the adult conversation. (Although Holy Mother Church would very much welcome, with love and open arms, those same children once they get out of their obstinant state of selfishness and realize they were wrong)
Thank you Holy Spirit for guiding the Conclave and blessing us with Pope Francis! <3
Is it too soon to call him Papa Frankie?! :>)
FrankenPapa? ;)
For anyone who still believes that condoms are an acceptable solution to solving the HIV/AIDS problem, please read the following articles:
http://drfrankobgyn.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/are-condoms-as-safe-as-filtered-cigarettes/
http://www.ncregister.com/site/article/17834/
Here’s just one eye-opening excerpt from the first article:
Consider the following epidemiologic data. In 1987 (shortly after the discovery of HIV), two Asian nations of similar population had approximately the same number of HIV patients. In Thailand there were 112 cases and in the Philippines there were slightly more—135 cases. Over the next 16 years, these two countries approached the problem with very different tactics. The government of Thailand embraced the theology of condoms and successfully implemented a “100% condom use” campaign wherein every man, woman, and child had ready access to a superabundance of condoms and where thoroughly indoctrinated on the apparent benefits of latex barriers. In the Philippines, however, something very unusual happened when their government rejected the internationally popular condom movement and decided instead to promote sexual abstinence and marital fidelity. How did these two radically different tactics fair? By 2003, Thailand had 570,000 people with HIV, whereas the Philippines had 9,000 people with HIV. In other words, the rate of HIV was 80 times higher in Thailand!
X, When I first read through your post, I thought the last sentence read, “Dedicated to join.” and I did a little happy skip and cartwheel in my head (I would have done a real one but sadly, I’m afraid that cart has rolled).
Anyhoo, I’ll step up the prayers. . . . (:
same with Uganda – where they promoted abstinence, and being faithful, and promoted right behavior… At that time, with those policies, AIDS/HIV stopped the exponential rise.
Unfortunately, with ‘new’ policies pushing condom use again, the rate of infection and number of cases are back up. I hope they return to wisdom and re-institute the policies that worked.
“With the election of this new, more conservative Pope, all hope that the Church may change their ideology is lost”
LOL… someone hasn’t paid much attention to the past 2,000 years of Church history.
I’m not even a Catholic,
But when I heard the new Pope was a Jesuit from South America, I got really nervous and worried. Could the Catholics have really caved at such an important time in history? Could the conclave have really chosen a progressive?
Fortunately, my first impressions were wrong. This guy is totally pro-life, and seems to be theologically conservative. I think he’ll make a good Pope.
File this blogger’s blog under “you know you’re doing something right when …”
Wow! An anti-abortion, anti-condom pope! What a shock! Pope Benedict and Pope John Paul was no different. They were all conservative. I don’t get the where the shock is coming from.
So…
To sum up Sophia’s little “hissy fit” –
“No faaair! I want the Catholic Church to change everything they believe in for meeeee!
I wanna be able to do whatever “I” want, and I don’t want anybody to tell me I can’t, and I want them to say they agree with meeee!”
Go to your room, Sophia. And GROW UP while you’re at it.
These so-called “journalists” that parrot the liberal feminist line are mere pawns. They were schooled and nurtured in leftist academia by bald in front pony-tailed ex 1960’s and 70’s hippies. They are marched out in front of TV cams and issue thier blather as if it really counted for something. They think their view of things is reality when they actually don’t have a clue. The arrogance is stunning.
Unfortunately the blind leading the blind is what we end up with. We see ample evidence of this in the trolls who opine about things here with the first thing that pops into their heads as if it is some big revelation that no one else has ever thought about.
Kim,
FYI, Thailand has an injection drug use problem that isn’t comparable to the situation in the Philippines.
Here is an excerpt from the second article mentioned:
In an interview with Christianity Today, Edward Green, director of the AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, vigorously defended Pope Benedict’s contention that condoms may increase HIV transmission in Africa: “The best evidence we have supports his comments.” He adds, “There’s no evidence at all that condoms have worked as a public health intervention intended to reduce HIV infections at the ‘level of population.’ … Major articles published in Science, The Lancet, British Medical Journal, and even Studies in Family Planning have reported this finding since 2004.”
Green reports that in eight or nine African countries, HIV has declined and, in every case, “there’s been a decrease in the proportion of men and women reporting multiple sexual partners. Ironically, in the first country where we saw this, Uganda, HIV prevalence decline stopped in 2004, and infection rates appear to be rising again. … in part because emphasis on interventions that promote monogamy and fidelity has weakened significantly, and earlier behavior changes have eroded. … [and] foreign donors have persuaded Uganda to put even more emphasis on condoms.”
““No faaair! I want the Catholic Church to change everything they believe in for meeeee!”
Opposition to abortion, contraception and the ordination of women — yes, that pretty much sums up “everything they believe in” these days.
So what? Nobody’s making you join, are they Megan? I oppose 2 of the 3 things you listed, but it ain’t no skin off my nose, sister. Sheesh.
Megan/BV,
you forgot the part about the biggest charitable organization in the world providing the most hospitals, the most AIDS care, the most educational opportunities, etc.
But none of that matters if we Catholics don’t buy into your outdated “abortion rights” because killing an innocent little girl or little boy fetus is the real solution to human suffering. Yeah.
You keep whining, and we’ll keep acutally helping people. Unless you want to stop whining, and then you’re welcome to join us!
Ordination of women; I hope it never happens. Many churches already ordaining women that are not Catholic, so why can’t they just go to THOSE churches? Some of the other churches have already become super liberal. Funny thing is, they’re not increasing in membership. Why not? They have pretty windows, bible verses, all the fun stuff, and none of the guilt. So, why do people want to change the Catholic Church? Our coffee and donuts don’t taste any better, so what gives? Why aren’t the feminists flocking to the liberal churches? Why?
@ Heather
Why do you say no gay marriage when Jesus and his disciples were gay. Just check out the following:
John 13:34-35
New International Version (NIV)
34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
I interpret this to mean that Jesus had sex with his disciples. Since they were all men then that would mean that Jesus and his disciples were gay. He told his disciples to have sex with other men.
Oh dear.
Well this is not going to end well.
Yet again I am in agreement with you Jack.
How many catholics do any of the following:
13 Things The Bible Forbids (That You’re Probably Guilty Of Doing)
1)Eating A Ham Sandwich
Lunch time?
Leviticus 11:7-8 reads:
And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
2)Tattoos
Thinking of getting the Superman insignia on your bicep?
Leviticus 19:28 states:
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
3)Rounded Haircuts
Off to the barber?
Leviticus 19:27 states:
Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
4)Men With Injured Or Cut Off Private Parts Entering Houses Of God
It’s bad enough if you’re a man who has had his private parts injured — or heaven forbid cut off — but to add insult to
injury, Deuteronomy 23:1 states:
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
5)Consulting Psychics
Have you ever had your palm read? Or maybe you’ve consulted your horoscope for a little guidance?
Leviticus 19:31 reads:
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.
6)Gossiping
Heard some juicy news about Harold in the accounting department?
Can’t wait to tell your BFF that you just read that Snooki is pregnant?
Leviticus 19:16 states:
Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the LORD.
7)Wives Helping Out Their Husbands In A Fight
Gentlemen — if you ever get in a fight and you get the feeling your lady might jump in and lend you a hand by squeezing your opponent’s… ahem… “secrets,” you’d better stop her.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 states:
When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.
8)Children Cursing Their Parents
Kids these days — you never know what’s going to come out of their mouths!
But hopefully your child doesn’t curse you because Exodus 21:17 states:
“And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.”
9)Getting Remarried After Getting Divorced
When it comes to the Bible, this is a big no-no (unless your spouse was cheating on you):
Mark 10:11-12 states:
Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
10)Working On The Sabbath
In our fast-paced society, does anyone really work Monday to Friday from 9-5?
Exodus 31:14-15 states:
“Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth
any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
11)Women Speaking In Houses Of God
Headed to church, ladies?
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 states:
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
12)Eating Shrimp, Lobster, And Other Assorted Seafood
Craving a big bowl of popcorn shrimp?
Leviticus 10-11 states:
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
13)Losing Your Virginity Before You Get Married
Today it might be harder to find a bride who is a virgin rather than the other way around.
But Deuteronomy 22:20-21 states:
But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
Looks like we’re going to have a party tonight.
I would have thought just a loooong night rather than a party JDC.
I’m heading off for some hedonism time shortly anyway, so I’ll avoid it.
You cut and paste nicely beware.
You just forgot Acts 11. Jesus came to fulfill. We follow Christ’s teachings, not Mosaic Law.
@Dirt
That is from your book of fables. You don’t follow it I’m guessing. So many religious people pick and chose what they like and don’t like in the bible. You can’t pick and chose to follow certain sections of that work of fiction. According to your ten commandments (which of the three versions you follow I don’t know) it is a sin to work on Sunday. If you have ever worked on Sunday then I guess you will be going to that imaginary place called hell. How many so-called christians cheat on their spouses? Again a sin that will send you to that imaginary place.
I just read a bit of Acts 11. I guess they were drug addicts.
“I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6 I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7 Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’
13 He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house
Definite signs of drug use.
I’m heading off for some hedonism time shortly anyway
Hustler, strip joint or hookers? So many choices. (:
As classy as ever I see Praxedes, you must be tired. Not my cup of tea, never paid for sex or been inside a strip club, let me know which one you choose.
I shall be watching motorsport on tv and reading whilst baking a cake for my girlfriend.
I love when “clever” trolls muddle civil, ceremonial, and moral Levitical law and think they’ve made some kind of point.
Cake sounds so good right now. I am limiting myself to one treat a week and I don’t get one until Sunday.
You’d make a great prolifer, Reality.
Class is my middle name. Have a great night.
Alice, exactly! Anti-theists who open the bible and play gotcha/spin the bottle look so silly.
Confused about dogma- your take on Jesus and his disciples isn’t original, but it is really problematic. So if I ask a man to love me, or appreciate his love, I’m talking about him having sex with me? Does that go for my grandfathers, dad, brothers, sons, cousins, colleagues, friends? Talk about a limited view.
If you think the Church is so unfair about not redefining marriage (among other things), let’s hope you’re consistent about your position and were calling for such changes 20-30 years ago when no one was really talking about it. When no
moral leaders were calling for it. Personally, I’m not impressed by morality fads.
Wake me up when you have something close to accurate and substantial criticism. Until then, what started 2,000+ years ago isn’t ending anytime soon. :)
“Again a sin that will send you to that imaginary place.”
Dogma – Jesus died for all my sins and yours!
Thanks be to God for His grace, peace, and joy!
@ LifeJoy Sorry but Jesus did not die for my sins. There are no sins just right and wrong. I did nothing wrong but I guess you did because you feel you need to be forgiven for something. Maybe it was because you work on Sunday or committed adultery. Who knows.
I’m not religious but I think everyone has done at least one thing wrong in their lives. It’s very odd to think you are perfect. And pretty narcissistic.
@ Mary Ann You have it all wrong. It’s the christians who play the spin the bottle game with the book of fables. Most christians probably haven’t even read it. The christian sheeple are unable to think for themselves. They don’t know how to question anything because they have been brainwashed from birth. Going to church year after year is like watching one season of a TV show over and over until you die. Nothing changes except the year.
Mary Ann, why are you confused? Just think about what you said and apply that to Leviticus 18:22. Christians say that when you lie with somebody that means that the person is having sex with the other person? “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind” So if that is true then when a father lies down with his baby son or baby daughter then they are having sex. If a mother lies with her baby son or baby daughter then she is having sex with them. That’s the problem with christians they only see things one way. I used the John example because christians always use Leviticus. Why do christians think when you lie with somebody it means that two people are having sex but when you love somebody you aren’t?
Yes, I have been saying that everyone should have equal rights for over 30 years. I believe that everybody in the world should be treated as equals unlike you. I don’t discriminate against certain people. But a lot of christians like you think it is okay. Morality was around before man invented gods. Marriage started out as a civil ceremony.
The fact about christianity is that they stole most of their rituals from the Pagans. And after doing so, they then put them down calling them non-christian heathens. The christian cult stole Winter Solstice from the Pagans and used it for a baby’s birthday. I guess the men who invented your god figured it was easier to steal the Pagan customs rather than invent their own.
Yes, it will be ending sooner than you think. Once all the old brainwashed people die off there will be fewer and fewer sheeple in the world. Why are there so few people going to church these days? That is because they are catching on to the fact that the catholic cult is an old boys’ club. A club that protects pedophiles and discriminates against women. They just want your money and they ability to control your sex life.
Just so you know, you are an Atheist like me except I believe in one less god than you do. Why don’t you believe in Thor, Zeus, Athena, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Ceiling Cat, the Scientology god or Mithra? These are just a few of the thousands of gods that man created. There are just too many to list here.
If you tell a story enough times then people start to believe it to be fact rather than the fiction that it is. One thing I just don’t understand is why a woman would want to belong to the catholic church when they are so ANTI-Female. This new pope is VERY ANTI-Female. The old boys’ club won’t change. They won’t let priests marry but that doesn’t matter because they can just have sex with other priests or they can rape little boys. Google catholic priests or any other religious leader to find the thousands of christian pedophiles. Google “father” George Ansel Smith, he was just sentenced to 11 years for molesting boys. I put father in quotation marks because he is nobody’s father. All religions have priests/ministers raping or sexually assaulting children. Pedophiles go where they can have easy access to their prey.
@ Jack I don’t think I’m perfect. I just said I haven’t sinned because that is just religious dogma that religions use to suck you in to their cult. They say you have sinned. A newborn baby can not commit a sin. A newborn baby has done nothing wrong. Religions convince you that you have done something wrong. Then they can try to convince you that they can save you. That way they can get your money.
Nobody is perfect but that doesn’t mean that you have done something wrong.
I seriously can’t stop laughing. Good trolling sir/ma’am. 10/10 would laugh hysterically again.
http://imgur.com/RvSfLjb
@LifeJoy “Thanks be to God for His grace, peace, and joy!”
I guess you didn’t get the memo that your god is the worst mass murderer in the history of the world. That is if you really believe the bible. So killing almost the whole population on the planet is peaceful and joyful to you?
BTW…I don’t believe in fairy tales like the bible so I know this didn’t happen.
@ Jack You can’t stop laughing because you have been brainwashed by your cult. You are a sheeple. You can’t think for yourself anymore because if you could then you would see how really foolish you are.
The bible is one of the most violent books ever written. Children should NEVER be exposed to it.
Yes, the cult of agnosticism is a helluva drug, I can’t stop.
You guys have fun wasting your lives on sky fairies. The brainwashing really worked on most of you.
I’m gone.
@ Jack You didn’t read my post. I said that I am an Atheist…not the same as an Agnostic. There are no gods except for the ones that men created in their minds.
Not believing in one of the thousands of gods is not a cult. Just as Atheism is not a religion.
Jack I just saw your comment when I posted my last goodbye…so I thought I should reply.
Bye Bye.
“@ Jack You didn’t read my post. I said that I am an Atheist…not the same as an Agnostic. There are no gods except for the ones that men created in their minds.
Not believing in one of the thousands of gods is not a cult. Just as Atheism is not a religion.”
You’re very slow, or just a decent troll. Whatevs. I’m not religious, or an atheist. I am agnostic though.
Confused about dogma,
where to begin? You were called out for posting the list of 13 random things. 11/13 are from the Pentateuch, the disciplinary laws of which are not binding on Christians. Sigh. You spewed ignorance in an attempt to silence those you thought were ignorant and you got called out on it. That’s on you.
You were also called to task for the claim that Jesus and his apostles were gay, based on your partial quote from the last supper discourse. Wrong again, and seeming intellectually… off-kilter and kinda sex-obsessed.
I have no problem being a woman and being Catholic. The Church is not inherently anti-woman. Lots of her greatest members are women. I deal with sexist ideas from individuals in my own faith, own family, comenters on blogs who tell me what I shouldn’t do or believe because I’m a woman. I’m strong enough to listen and sort through it on my own, thanks.
Ever hear of
Mother Teresa
Clare of Assisi
Margaret of Scotland
Teresa Benedicta (Edith Stein)
Joan of Arc
Hildegard of Bingen
Mary Magdalene
These are all amazing, historically significant women who share my faith in Jesus Christ. I’ll stick with them, thanks!
FWIW, I don’t reject your arguments because you sound unhappy and use insulting language, though you probably lose a lot of people’s respect that way. I reject your ideas because the claims of Christianity make more sense than anti-theists do. Lots of people become consumed with how poorly many (most?) Christians behave. I’m more interested in why we were all put on this earth, and what happens when we die.
You know, beyond your disdain for theists and bungling of other people’s religious beliefs, I kind of admire you. It would take far more blind faith for me to reject the existence of God and believe in some variation of our interconnected existence as random organization of universal matter than believe in Him.
Christianty is more compelling in terms of human relationships, and Jesus Christ more appealing to my heart, than anything else I’ve studied or followed.
Holy crap-how THE FREAK did I miss this?
BoD- I’m an atheist, and I think you’re an idiot. If you seriously think your mad skillz at copy/pasting a Cracked.com article have proven ANYTHING, your drunken fratboy logic has failed you yet again.
If you tell a story enough times then people start to believe it to be fact rather than the fiction that it is.
Yup, Hitler did this with the Jews. The proaborts do it to women too. Maybe you’ve heard some of these dandies:
It’s just a blob of cells. Prolifers don’t care about women and children after they are born. Prolifers are religious zealots. It’s a parasite.
I’m gone.
You got that right.
Well, that was fun.
Fun fact, it is humanly impossible to take anyone seriously who non-ironically uses the word “sheeple.”
Lol I laughed! Hmmm so that is what pagans believe. Sigh., go study history. It sounds more like you were being brainwashed and bringing your interpretations to Bible verses.
The Catholic Church will become smaller. Pope Benedict and Pope Francis don’t seem to mind. I don’t.
Here Benedict XVI prophecy.
It will become small and will have to start pretty much all over again. It will no longer have use of the structures it built in its years of prosperity. The reduction in the number of faithful will lead to it losing an important part of its social privileges.” It will start off with small groups and movements and a minority that will make faith central to experience again. “It will be a more spiritual Church, and will not claim a political mandate flirting with the Right one minute and the Left the next. It will be poor and will become the Church of the destitute.”
Re: ConfusedwithDogma It’s really sad when people can’t fathom any other definition of “love” than sexual attraction. Don’t say you “love you mom’ ‘love you child’ ‘love your friend’!!!!!!
I think BoD is actually magma/josey/whatever the crap names that he or she has used on this site, they type about the same.
“I think BoD is actually magma/josey/whatever the crap names that he or she has used on this site, they type about the same.”
That would explain a lot.
Re: ConfusedwithDogma It’s really sad when people can’t fathom any other definition of “love” than sexual attraction. Don’t say you “love you mom’ ‘love you child’ ‘love your friend’!!!!!!
It also shows BoD’s serious ignorance of Greek as to the differences among eros, philios, and agape.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I vote BoD is 17.
“I vote BoD is 17.”
I concur. 17… at most.
My observation from a number of sites of various christian strands, not even the most extreme ones, is that BoD’s interpretation is no more selective and self-serving. Maybe they’re all 17, or at least have that sort of mindset.
I read an article last week about a chap who claims to have interpreted a number of bible verses to prove that jesus was a shape-shifter.
Couldn’t remember where I saw it but I found this on google –
http://www.christianpost.com/news/jesus-a-shape-shifter-author-claims-ancient-egyptian-text-says-so-91924/
Lol. One of the mentally ill people I knew when I was homeless was convinced that Jesus never died, he was secretly at the head of every successful government since his “death”, and could change his appearance at will.
He also believed Jesus was an alien.
“Lol. One of the mentally ill people I knew when I was homeless was convinced that Jesus never died, he was secretly at the head of every successful government since his “death”, and could change his appearance at will. He also believed Jesus was an alien.”
I hate to laugh at the mentally ill, but yeah, that’s hilarious.
Well, I guess I’m really laughing at what he said, not him. But it still feels wrong somehow.
“Well, I guess I’m really laughing at what he said, not him. But it still feels wrong somehow. ”
Yeah I feel bad for being amused by it too. He was a nice guy and he realized when he was on his meds how ridiculous he sounded and he laughed about it too, but he always stopped taking them after a couple months and he never got off the streets as far as I know.
Once he told me that I was a schizophrenic like him because I don’t believe that vaccines are a conspiracy by Big Pharma to kill children lol. He was a funny guy.
So why does this new pope keep asking people to pray for him?
Isn’t he supposed to be infallible?
Or hasn’t the old pope handed it in yet?
Or is the transfer paperwork held up on you-know-who’s desk?
I think Papal infallibility only applies when the Pope makes certain proclamations defining doctrine from his office as Pope, or something similar to that.
“I think Papal infallibility only applies when the Pope makes certain proclamations defining doctrine from his office as Pope, or something similar to that.”
This may be of interest:
Statements by a pope which exercise papal infallibility are referred to as “solemn papal definitions” or ex cathedra teachings. Also considered infallible are the teachings of the whole body of bishops of the Church, especially but not only in an ecumenical council[16] (see Infallibility of the Church).
According to the teaching of the First Vatican Council and Catholic tradition, the conditions required for ex cathedra papal teaching are as follows:
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So he won’t be asking people to pray for him to be wise or for his ability to interpret god’s word then Jack?
And if they’re all infallible through god how come their proclamations defining doctrine vary?
Hey, don’t ask me I’m not Catholic. The only thing I know about Papal infallibility is that it only applies to certain situations.
And I find the concept of prayer for a certain outcome odd anyway.
I think you’re supposed to email them JDC.
Yeah, there’s a whole lot of funny Jack.
I read of someone whose wife suddenly fell seriously ill. He thanked god that traffic was light. He thanked god they got a park near the hospital doors. He thanked god the hospital wasn’t busy so his wife was seen promptly. He thanked god there were really good doctors on duty. He thanked god they made her well. That’s great but what I want to know is who did he thank for making his wife ill.
Well I can understand the point of view that all good comes from God, and bad is in the world because of sin, so it doesn’t make sense to blame God for the bad in the world, I guess.
What I don’t get is if God already knows what’s going to happen, what is the point of praying for a certain outcome? Isn’t what is going to happen already known by God? Why would you have to pray for something to happen? It just doesn’t make sense to me, and people have tried to explain it to me but I apparently am missing something.
I just find the whole thing to be a veritable cornucopia of screaming inconsistency Jack.
Reality— To answer your questions…Pope Francis asked people to pray for him because he is a human being. We don’t claim Popes to be perfect. The only time they are infallible is when they teach/declare things “from the Chair of Peter” also known as “Ex Cathedra” (not sure if I spelled that right). Ex Cathedra teachings don’t actually happen as often as people think they do. It’s extremely rare. Most things are reiterations on already established doctrine, or a new explanation on something that’s already existed. The whole infallibility thing comes from the Gospel of Matthew where Jesus told Peter “I call you Peter, and upon this rock I shall build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.” Other translations say “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. This is interpreted and taught as to mean that Jesus would send forth His Holy Spirit to guide the Church and protect it from false teachings. Everything the Church teaches can be found in “The Catechism Of The Catholic Church” most CCC’s include some kind of explanation.
JackBorsch said: What I don’t get is if God already knows what’s going to happen, what is the point of praying for a certain outcome? Isn’t what is going to happen already known by God? Why would you have to pray for something to happen? It just doesn’t make sense to me, and people have tried to explain it to me but I apparently am missing something.
Jack, it’s true God knows every possibility…however that doesn’t mean He doesn’t grant favors or want us to talk to Him. We humans DON’T know what’s going to happen. Jesus said “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God”…when praying, we’re seeking out God’s will and God’s help. His plans can include infinite number of contingencies for all we know. Since I’m not God, I can’t tell you exactly how all that works. I just know that prayer is one form of communicating/communing with God. Asking for things is just ONE form of prayer, too. There’s praises for His many gifts–such as when you have a good doctor.
As to illness…God does NOT CAUSE evil. Given we’re in an imperfect world, illness is part of that imperfection.
Petitionary prayer (the kind of prayer where we pray for something or someone as opposed to adoration (worship of God), thanksgiving, or penitential prayer) is one way for us to participate in God’s providential plan. But really EVERYTHING we do is a participation in God’s providential plan. God is first cause of all, but he uses secondary causes. So God could directly heal the man with cancer, but sometimes he allows a doctor to remove the cancer. God accomplishes the cancer removal through the means of the doctor. Similarly, God accomplishes the bestowal of graces on someone (or whatever a prayer might be) through another’s prayer. God could have given such graces directly, but chooses to allow us to participate in his providential plan by sometimes working through our prayers. So to ask “what the point of praying if God knows what will happen anyway” is like asking “what’s the point of removing this man’s cancer if God knows what will happen anyway.” We are raised up and directly participate in God’s plans through our actions. Prayers are part of God’s plan, just like our actions here on earth are part of his plan. Hope that makes some sense.
Thanks to whoever approved my comment. For future reference, please let me now if Reality is correct and I ought to email you in these circumstances.
Usually we just catch them like I just did, JDC, but to be safe, it might be a good idea to email. Thanks Reality :)
“Usually we just catch them like I just did, JDC, but to be safe, it might be a good idea to email.”
Noted, and thanks again, Bobby.
“What I don’t get is if God already knows what’s going to happen, what is the point of praying for a certain outcome? Isn’t what is going to happen already known by God?”
JackBorsch, I think your question is extremely insightful, and I can offer my humble opinion on prayer. I know I’m going to cook dinner for my kids on any given night … they know they’ll get dinner whether they ask for it or not. But they ask me, “Can we have this?” and I appreciate them asking me. Then they help me make the meal and thank me for cooking. All of this dialogue strengthens their relationship with me That’s how I see prayer, and that’s why I understand God as a father. He doesn’t *need* our prayer, but prayer strengthens my relationship with Him.
Jack, do you know what is going to happen? Prayer is good for the person saying the prayers.
An estimation of God’s perspective on prayer:
When the teacher tells you what your kids did at school during the day, do you still talk with your kids about what they did at school? Why do you do that, why did you want to hear it from them?
Also why do writers write when they know what they are going to write? Why do painters paint? Why is there such a thing as art?
“And if they’re all infallible through god how come their proclamations defining doctrine vary?”
The doctrines of the Church never change. You are probably confusing discipline with doctrine.
Probably, Julia. For example, not eating meat on Lent’s Fridays is not dogma, but custom. You don’t have to confess if you eat a hamburger, but you do have to confess if you STEAL a hamburger.
Watching Dogma spin his wheels was fun. Like a puppy chasing his tail, I bet he slept soundly after all that exercise. ;>)
“I guess you didn’t get the memo that your god is the worst mass murderer in the history of the world. That is if you really believe the bible. So killing almost the whole population on the planet is peaceful and joyful to you?”
You might as well say that Nature is the mass murderer of everyone and everything that ever lived and died. But, when someone lives and when they die, are God’s perogative.
It’s wrong for a human to decide that someone’s life should end , and called murder, but for God, it is his to decide when someone will begin life on this earth and when their time on this earth will end.
You might as well say that God should make everyone live forever on earth, or else he is a horrible mass murderer!
Actually, ninek, is a sin to eat for a Catholic to (knowingly) eat meat on a Friday in lent, because that is a law of the Church which is binding, because the Church has authority. Though Church laws (such as fast before Hoy Communion, fast and abstience laws, etc.) change, the law that is in effect at present must still be obeyed.
I agree about ConfusedwithDogma, that was pretty funny!
“So to ask “what the point of praying if God knows what will happen anyway” is like asking “what’s the point of removing this man’s cancer if God knows what will happen anyway.” We are raised up and directly participate in God’s plans through our actions. Prayers are part of God’s plan, just like our actions here on earth are part of his plan. Hope that makes some sense.”
“JackBorsch, I think your question is extremely insightful, and I can offer my humble opinion on prayer. I know I’m going to cook dinner for my kids on any given night … they know they’ll get dinner whether they ask for it or not. But they ask me, “Can we have this?” and I appreciate them asking me. Then they help me make the meal and thank me for cooking. All of this dialogue strengthens their relationship with me That’s how I see prayer, and that’s why I understand God as a father. He doesn’t *need* our prayer, but prayer strengthens my relationship with Him.”
Well I guess that makes sense. But what if your kid was begging you for something that they could eat for dinner, and you were like “nope lol you can starve, and then I’ll give you some food you’re violently allergic to. This will go on for like two decades. And then I’ll get mad at you for not wanting to praise and believe in what a good cook I am”. That’s how I see asking God for something you desperately need and have him (if he exists) give you the exact opposite.
That last comment sounded way more bitter than I meant it to, sorry.
“When the teacher tells you what your kids did at school during the day, do you still talk with your kids about what they did at school? Why do you do that, why did you want to hear it from them?”
Well yeah, I get that there is a personal relationship aspect to prayer. I do understand that idea. I don’t know what my issue is really. You all are getting something I never got out of prayer and I don’t understand what it is.
Jack ~ I do understand (as much as I can) …
God isn’t “mad at you.” At all. He loves you.
Jack, I believe there are to parts to the answer.
1) God knows better than we do what is best for us (and for any other people involved) what we need. What we think we need, may actually be something that is bad for us (phyisically or spiritually) in the long run. We are like children compared with God. When you are five, you might ask over and over again for something you really want and think you need, but your wise parents knows that that thing would not be good for you, so they don’t give it to you. When you are older, you understand. The same with us. After we die (or maybe before) we will understand.
2) As far as evils inflicted by other people- God has given each person free will. If he stepped in all the time to stop people from doing bad things, then we do not have free will. When you take away free will, people lose the power to do good things as well as bad things, and then we are only puppets.