BREAKING, photos: TX abortionist impales, twists heads off live babies
Operation Rescue and Life Dynamics have released photos, video, and witness testimony about a late-term abortionist in Houston, Texas, who routinely murders babies in horrendous ways after he aborts them alive.
Three former employees of abortionist Douglas Karpen (pictured below left) have come forward with shocking testimony, which they have corroborated with video and photos.
In the video below Gigi Aguliar, Deborah Edge, and Krystal Rodriguez say Karpen aborts babies beyond the legal limit in Texas of 24 weeks.
The informants also say they witnessed Karpen routinely kill babies after they were born by puncturing the soft spot or impaling the stomach with a sharp instrument, twisting the head off, or puncturing the throat with his finger.
They maintain babies Karpen aborted babies alive and then murdered them “daily.”
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See graphic photos below taken by informants of two very late-term aborted babies (my guess is ~ 7 months), the first whose throat was punctured and the second whose head was nearly decapitated.
The informant, Deborah Edge, told Fox News she came forward after receiving a postcard from OR encouraging clinic employees to contact the group “if they suspected illegal activity at the clinic.”
Working with attorneys at Alliance Defending Freedom and Abby Johnson’s group, And Then There Were None, the three informanta submitted affidavits to the Texas Medical Board and Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott in 2012.
On February 8, 2013, OR received a letter from the TMB stating it was dismissing the case due to “insufficient evidence.”
It was at this point the decision was made to go public.
Ironically, late-term mass murderer Kermit Gosnell’s trial got in the way, and so release of the information was delayed until this week.
The abortion lobby and media have been claiming Kermit Gosnell was an anomaly, while pro-life activists know there are many more just like him. How can it not be that late-term abortionists blur the line between preborn and postborn?
I urge the TMB and AG Abbott to reopen their investigation of Karpen, particularly in light of the fact that the U.S. Congress has now launched a probe into shoddy abortion clinics, late-term abortions, and live birth abortions.
By now Abbott, pictured right, has received a letter from the House Judiciary Committee inquiring how he is enforcing the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act and how limits on late-term abortions are enforced.
Operation Rescue has many more details on this developing story, including video shot within the clinic.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Fetus…fetus…fetus… GAH! Deborah… it’s a BABY! That’s AMAZING how she uses the word so easily instead of just saying baby. Amazing.
I pray for these women. This breaks my heart. I looked at the pictures too and oh my.
I sincerely pray that more and more of this is exposed. If this is what’s going to take to wake up America to the horror of abortion… then we need to keep doing it!
It’s traumatic to see these pictures. It’s painful. It’s horrifying. I am sickened. BUT
We MUST see this. The world MUST see the truth about abortion. Hiding it away has
only led to MORE of this. This makes me stronger in my pro-life convictions. It will
change minds & hearts. How is this possible in a “civilized” society? How is this allowed to continue AND grow???
Crying, crying…. This must stop… This is why I am pro-life and you should be too.
Anyone who supports abortion at any stage (including our resident trolls) has the blood of these babies on their hands…if abortion was not supported and was not legal there would be no late term abortionists, and with no late term abortioists we have no brutalized babies.
Oh yes, I know, all of this would still be happening to some degree in back alley chop shops. Yes, some would occur and that reality is just as horrible as these gruesome abortions. But it would be much easier to prosecute the criminals performing them and if abortion were against the law and it would make everyone think twice which would dramatically reduce the numbers of abortions and therefore the number of brutalized babies.
Not enough evidence??? Eyewitness accounts with video and pictures? What does the prosecutor need, a taped confession? If he needs more evidence, where’s the investigation???
WHO WILL CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE ON BEHALF OF THESE PRECIOUS INNOCENT BABIES???
Oh my dear Lord in heaven. Those pictures. I am sick. These are so similar to the pictures I saw that made me determine to get involved in the pro-life movement in the first place.
And yet, I’m sitting here shaking.
This is bloodier and more murderous and hideous than any horror movie I could possibly imagine.
My heart.
I saw those precious ones. I looked at their mangled bloody bodies. I looked at their faces.
God help us.
I pray for these women. That we reach out to them and help them heal. That more will follow. That the exodus begin. That the Lord bring more and more light to the darkness of abortion!!
I didn’t dare to look at the pictures, I’m afraid it would be too much to take. But in general nothing here surprises me – not the fact that it’s happening, not the fact that legal system is choosing to look the other way, nothing. I’m just heartbroken how mothers are allowing these butchers to do that to their children. THAT is something I will never understand. First trimester – ok, there is no bump, no movement felt, you can believe a little story about a “blob of tissue”. But later abortions? HOW in the world mothers justify that to themselves?
A red state AG (and possible future gubernatorial candidate) won’t even touch this? I think that says all that needs to be said about the credibility of these claims.
I couldn’t look at the pictures…and I only got about a minute and a half into the video confession. It’s so sad. I don’t support abortion at any time.
I agree with Dirtdartwife…”fetus…fetus…fetus…” even after the baby was out of the womb she was still refer to said human being as a “fetus”. Call a spade a spade! It’s a human being at any stage of development, the most innocent of human beings, too.
It goes to show how ingrained terminology is, how much society as a whole has allowed. It makes me sad. We have to pray hard and keep telling the truth. Abortion ends the existence, the life of a human being whatever stage said human being is in, it’s the end of that human being’s existence, it is wrong.
Where are the pro-aborts today? Where’s their defense of abortion now? Pro-aborts: Look at the videos and photos you cowards!!! Look at those BABIES and tell me you’re okay with that. They aren’t fetuses they are HUMAN BEINGS you stupid cowards!!!!! You support this brutality- ALL of it whether it happens in the womb or outside!!! The end result of abortion is a dead BABY and this is what you support. Wake up Wake up Wake up!!!!
Ah. The old, “fake, fake, fake!” defense. I haven’t heard that one in a while.
Own it, trolls. THIS is abortion. THIS is your sacrament, what you fight to defend, what you believe is the crowning glory of womanhood.
I am trying so hard not to let the hate in my heart overtake me today.
X, a fake defense is all they have. THAT”S IT.
“A red state AG (and possible future gubernatorial candidate) won’t even touch this? I think that says all that needs to be said about the credibility of these claims.”
Crimes don’t get prosecuted for a variety of reasons. I hope you don’t call a rape victim a liar or non-credible just because there isn’t enough evidence/the DA doesn’t think they can win so they don’t bother to try his or her case.
Not looking at the pics. I’m nope-ing right out of here. I really hope this person gets arrested and charged like Gosnell.
X did you even bother to look at the photos? I bet you didn’t. Since you support this brutality you must be okay with doing it right. You have it in you to bash in a baby’s brain? You have that much hate in you to be okay with a baby being brutality murdered this way? That’s what abortion is – dead babies. Look at the photos and hear the testimonies in the video and tell me you’re not affected at all.
These quotes are from BlueVelvet/Megan about Baby Michael. Just one of the babies Gosnell killed.
Yes, he is well past the embryonic stage – you know, when about 98% of abortions in the US take place. Also, the image above is a case of infanticide. Not abortion.
No, I wouldn’t have “been fine” with it. There are restrictions in this country on late term abortions because they are demonstrably different from ones that happen in the first few weeks of life
Of course abortion ends a human life. Who ever said it was pretty? Being forced to gestate that life is even less pretty. Some would even call it a form of slavery.
X is prolife.
Joan would be the proabortion troll that tries to derail the thread about gubernatorial candidates.
JP, Xalisae is VERY pro-life, so I think you may have misunderstood her comment.
This is sickening. I am crying. How could anyone!?!?!
I think justice was served in the Gosnell trial. The prosecution and defense came together and
“Chose Life!”
Gosnell chose life for himself.
Yes, Carla, but I see you didn’t get the play on words.
yeah. I got it.
Jack,
The photos are gruesome. Just absolutely horrific.
Because abortion/infanticide is gruesome and horrific.
God please make it stop!!!
Merit is CC?
I just checked.
Merit is Merit and CC is nowhere to be found.
IT’S NOT A FETUS IT’S A BABY!!!!! This is absolutely sickening!!! I can’t believe this is legal in America… inside or outside of the womb, abortion is MURDER!! We need to pray for our country!
“Ah. The old, “fake, fake, fake!” defense. I haven’t heard that one in a while.”
Funny, I didn’t even say it was fake. I said that the level of credibility here is so low that even someone for whom it would be in his professional interests to pursue this vigorously isn’t willing to bother. AG’s (especially elected AG’s) take on long-shot cases all the time. Even if he couldn’t get a conviction, a good show trial would be worth the effort for a red state prosecutor, especially one with higher political office in mind.
Don’t blame me because Operation Rescue’s name is mud in all but the most extreme anti-abortion circles and these three “informants” look like con artists fishing for a book deal or other publicity to such an obvious extent that even the Attorney General of Texas can see it.
“Don’t blame me because Operation Rescue’s name is mud in all but the most extreme anti-abortion circles and these three “informants” look like con artists fishing for a book deal or other publicity to such an obvious extent that even the Attorney General of Texas can see it.”
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Yeah, lots of other abortion clinic workers have made these same kind of allegations. No one worries about perjury charges anymore. It is easy as pie to lie about a doctor in court and get his license yanked just like that.
Oh, wait…
Looking at the pictures there is no way to tell it was done post birth. From the condition of the head it seems it was collapsed in utero. If the head cant fit through the cervix it has to be collapsed to avoid cervical trauma. It does look to be about 28 weeks. The thing about posting these pictures is that you dont hear from the pregnant woman and her circumstances. I am 110% sure she didnt wake up one morning and say “my feet are swollen I think Ill have a third trimester abortion.”
you can’t legitimately win a debate by using red herrings and presenting information that found be fact our fiction without any sources out proof. especially if the information you are using as your defense is incredibly subjective. let’s say that for argument sake your statement about the AG is true. you have no idea what the reason is. you’re assuming an idea about a situation you haven’t presented any evidence of. which is hilarious because of how adamantly you argue that the claims against karper are untrue and lack any proper evidence. they have sources, pictures ( tell me how fake those are) witnesses and a video. all you have is illegitimate, subjective statements. but honestly you are a true coward. you argue that the claims are not true because what you want to believe is that abortion doctors don’t do things like this. either you are to cowardly to face the truth and so lie to yourself and make up a reason it has to be false so you don’t have to deal with the pain and ugliness. or you are to cowardly to make an argument on this board for pro-choice. most likely both are true. either make an actual , substantiated argument followed with source and evidence in favor of karper or abortion and stand up for what you believe or shut your fearful, quivering mouth and help yourself out of the board. but if I were you I do the hard thing. look at the truth, face it and weep. If I were you, I look at the pictures however painful, and repent of the side I’ve taken. I would put my pride away, admit was wrong, and change my heart. because abortion. is. murder. and this, this is the truth.
yes Dorothy this is what is REALLY behind the abortion curtain!
nepawarrior. that was not directed toward you. sorry if it seemed like it.
I don’t even want to look at the pictures. I read the description… and had to leave the room. Thank you for putting them in that extra scroll down thing so I don’t have to look.
The pro-abort trolls are saying the SAME THINGS they said when Gosnell was first arrested “It’s fake” “There isn’t any evidence” “It isn’t credible” and “You don’t know why those women had those late term abortions.” Almost WORD FOR WORD.
Look you cowards! Look at those photos! Those are real babies that have been mangled. Maybe you’ll finally admit the truth when Karpen is on trial like Gosnell was? Then when he is convicted Joan and the rest of her baby-killing crones can tweet “Justice was served! Women deserve better reproductive healthcare than this!”
I can’t get to the pics for some reason but i will bet they are indeed beyond what I could bear. Omg in heaven these abortionists are so depraved deranged and reprobate…God only you can give us pro lifers the strength to help fight the war against Satan himself. Dear Lord please stop abortion!!!
I thought about it for thirty seconds before I chose to scroll down. I thought “ive seen this before”.
No I hadnt.
crushed skulls, bulging eyes, running blood. my stomach curdled and I started to turn away, but in my head I said “No, this is what you fight to stop. memorise it.” So I steeled myself and stared for another minute. I want this imprinted in my mind so no pro-abort can ever get to me. I agree that these particular images are perhaps too over the edge for some, especially if its your first time, but it is undeniably a powerful tool.
Ill carry these images no matter how painful and disturbing, it only adds fuel to the fire.
Amen Rogue.
I didn’t want to look.
But for these little lives we keep fighting the good fight!! In their memory and in their honor.
NEPAwarrior,
So you saw the photos then?
Although you are just a troll I wanted to say that the “circumstances” surrounding a woman’s abortion make precious little difference when faced with the photos of a baby with his/her head nearly twisted off.
Scared? Confused? Desperate? Don’t care? No money? No husband? Already have enough kids?
The end result is the same. The circumstances might explain what might bring a woman to an abortion mill but they never justify it.
Murdered children. This is where we are.
It took me 24 hours, but I finally screwed up enough courage to look at those photos.
I didn’t want to, but I know that I owe this respect to the dignity of these children who were so killed so inhumanely while our country continues to stand by and permit this.
We are like the German citizens who lived near Dachau and Buchenwald. By tolerating this evil, we are participating in it.
Gosnell and Karpen did abortions in the wrong country, They should have done them in Canada where there are NO LAWS against abortion and you only need to report abortions if you want too. (voluntary reporting)
These babies can also be registered as a stillbirths. They never need to be worried about being arrested for doing an abortion past 24 weeks and there is no law that requires them to help a baby if he/she survives an abortion. They can ensure fetal demise and can rest assured that the police won’t come knocking. They also have spaghetti politicians so there doesn’t seem to be any laws coming soon.
Not only that but pro-choicers then use the low/skewed Canadian abortion rates to say ” See when you have NO LAWS on abortion, there are less abortions.”
After the US pro-lifers keeps exposing late-term abortionists, you all now know where they will go.
Adam Lanza – unwanted – now.
TX Abortionist – wanted.
CT schoolchildren – wanted.
TX victims of abortion – unwanted.
Apparently BAIPA is useless without penalties or abolishment of abortion altogether.
Sometimes hearts are so hardened they will be unmoved even if they witness or partake firsthand – in such cases they are completely without reason or mercy. I’m not referring to the employees who came forward, but to those who still defend killing innocent human beings.
President Obama is quite confident that abortionists who deliver children alive will “look after them”. I had an inkling what he meant back in 2008 when I first listened to the IL Senate Bill 1665. Now there’s proof.
Apparently Tiller was wise enough to use an incinerator. However, it’s also very telling that abortionists think their position is so secure that they can commit such horrors.
So Gosnell wasn’t an outlier – a liar, definitely. I’m sure there are many, many more abortionists who are delivering late term and dispatching outside. It’s a lot “safer” for the one who could sue them – the aborting mother.
Gosnell and Karpen prove that there were more than four late term abortionists as the movie After Tiller asserted. This is what the filmmakers did not want the public to see.
As I always say, “Abortion is barbarism disguised as medicine.”
Joan says: “Don’t blame me because Operation Rescue’s name is mud in all but the most extreme anti-abortion circles and these three “informants” look like con artists fishing for a book deal or other publicity to such an obvious extent that even the Attorney General of Texas can see it.”
This is how power works. The more ‘legitimate’ people in society are – doctors, suburban people, males, etc. — the more ‘legitimate’ their testimony is to others who want to collude in maintaining the power hierarchy.
Joan is likely a ‘liberal’ just like me. I learned how to analyze power and abuse of power when I was involved in politics. How can so many rapists and intimate partner abusers get off scot-free? The prevailing society view is that these rapists are more legitimate because they are male. So, police may not even carry out an investigation, and courts may be quick to dismiss.
We liberals love advocating for justice despite power/status of the person or institution abusing their power unjustly. Until our pet issue comes up. Then, we automatically are discrediting the truth-teller before we even know the whole story.
I can’t stop thinking about these poor little ones. I am in tears today.
I am so, so sorry for your pain, sweet babies.
We are all in tears at these pictures. This is what God sees with every abortion, and we have yet to endure His justifiable wrath. When that day comes will we endure? Have mercy on us, Lord, and bless efforts to end this.
I thank God that this is now being exposed and hearts will be turned when women see what is being done to their own children. We must keep praying.
Don’t you find it odd that none of the post abortive people / women ever comment on these pictures? They stay mum and remain pro choice. I doubt they want to look.
My God, this is so heartbreaking.
Anyone who thinks this is okay needs to have their humanity examined.
We have got to put a stop to this horrible slaughter of the innocents.
Dear God help us.
This is so sick and twisted just like the women who would do this! They waited until 24 weeks?I am sorry give the baby up for adoption or keep your legs closed …What’s this world coming to? Have they no remorse or regret?It is so easy to take a life rather than give the baby to someone who will love it but,I guess it’s easier to kill it and abort it IT IS HUMAN !!!! How do they sleep at night ?NO EXCUSES it’s just wrong!!!
Just reading these posts from people about their views from a pro-life stance. I am really shocked at the cruelty in their voices. Be aware of yourself and how you communicate your views and thoughts. Calling people stupid cowards and other names does nothing but promote hate and antagonism between people.
Whatever. I hate people who kill babies. I’m not ashamed to say it. Know what’s cruel? The people who killed those babies in those pictures. Cruel is the death those children met at the hands of a monster.
how do women that go through any type of abortion sleep at night? I feel all these kind of clinics should be shut down. If a woman cant afford to raise a baby she should not be playing house with men.
X I agree. Sometimes it is so very hard not to hate them!
X can i have your email again …i lost it.
Renee good point!
We have been praying for divine intervention to expose what is really going on in those clinics, and they are being answered with things like this happening and showing up in the mainstream media. It’s one of those that none of us were prepared to see answered in this way. The images, shocking as they seem, are not nearly as grewsome as the typical abortion, where the infant is ripped limb from limb, pulled out of the woman in small pieces, then re-assembled on the table to make sure they got all of the parts…. This activity is nothing short of demonic, anybody that supports abortion is going to be held in judgement of murder, in this, or the next world.
What we have done in accepted mainstream society makes what was done in Nazi Germany look like light romp in the park. Our being forced to “candy coat” our literature and what we can post, in sight of the public must come to an end as well. If they can post this in the mainstream media, we can post the same stuff in the mainstream public. It’s freedom of expression, just as there is supposed to be freedom of press as well.
Time to force the other side to take responsibility for their actions, and show them graphically what their actions produce, no matter how ugly it is.
I think this monster tops Gosnell. I’m sure there are more psychos out there who are doing the same thing. This is just one more of many who would get his hands on an unwanted innocent baby and get a thrill kill out of it. All I can picture is those poor helpless babies saying Why would you hurt me and kill me? And even their mothers who agreed to allow a hit man to do this. I understand they are deceived but come on!
Like others have said…we must continue to pray.
We must hope people’s hearts and minds can and do change. We must continue to tell the truth and stand by that truth.
God bless y’all.
NOTHING justifies this.
No matter what circumstances a mother finds herself in explains a bit what brought her to a mill but never justifies it.
I do not know why mothers abort nearly full term babies but it is a little late to say that they should have kept their legs shut!!
You are free to hate on whoever you would like. Your choice.
There is hope and healing for all men and women that have been hurt by abortion.
http://rachelsvineyard.org
I can’t help but to hate abortionists. I can pray for them but the human side of me wonders how could they? How could a woman have thought this was okay? More and more late term abortions are happening. We need to take away the right to choose.
The questions of WHY or HOW a woman would do this are not the questions to ask anymore. Women do. They just do.
Now what? We try to reach them before. We try to reach them after. We pray for them to find healing in Christ. We pray for abortionists and mill workers to repent and LEAVE the industry!!
Your hatred will never bring you peace. It will keep you angry and stirred up and vengeful.
I need you in this fight.
PS
I wonder if those babies are EVER shown to the moms? I wonder if any abortionists actually shows a woman what he just did to her child?
Horrible. Fearful. We will answer to God for these lives. May He have mercy on us.
Has anyone noticed the irony in this: Gosnell is found guilty of murder (re: aborted babies), yet PP continues to speak of abortion in terms of basic, simple family planning and a woman’s right?
How blinded we are in our selfishness and sinfulness. Indeed, it is only in Christ that men are changed from simple to wise, from darkness to light.
The allegations, if true, are horrific and illegal. IF true.
These photos may be shocking to see, but really stand in favour of abortion.
Baby one has birth defects so severe that they are not compatible with life. It has a condition called anencephaly, the swollen, bizzarely shaped head, bulging eyes and eyelids and malformed nose are not a result of abortion trauma, but a disease in which the top bones of the skull do not form. To carry to term is dangerous for the mother. If left to a natural delivery the lack of skull bones would have meant the baby’s head would have been crushed during contractions, possibly disintegrating the head like a balloon. Now that’s unsanitary, inhumane and very very risky for mum. No marks on this child of murder as described in the video. Blood in the photos is normal in all births.
I disagree with most abortions, however this is one I can support. A fetus that that if left to term will suffer immensely before dying (it’s a 100% fatal condition), and may also kill the mother.
My heart goes out to this poor family. That might be a wanted child as it’s so late stage. Imagine finding your baby has a horrible defect it can’t survive, having to say goodbye and then having these photos made public, and linked to accusations that probably do not relate to the photos. And then damned by people who do not understand the medical necessity in this particular case.
DrJ, bravo for your insight and sharing your expertise. I already talked about this being rather tame compared to what is happening, mainstream, legally, and didn’t put much thought into tearing apart the photo’s at all. I just got educated a bit more in this whole aspect thanks to you, and this is a good thing.
Still, C section is the way to go, regardless of the percentage claim, and no mother is going to be at risk due to some abnormality. Let God decide if the child lives, and give that child the absolute best chance while minimizing the Mothers risk…..
You agree with most abortions as not being necessary, can you please tell us what ones you do deem as necessary? You are talking about taking a human life, I got to know when you decide it’s necessary, when you deem a life doesn’t deserve to live for what ever reason…..????!!!! This is more then biology you know right, that God knew us before we were even conceived, that we are not mere randomness, being born into this world, that there is intelligent design in place here.
Brian Miller,
If you wait and have a c section at full term, and let doctors take this baby out of you, it will die. There is zero chance for this particular baby to live when you take it out of the mother (even with god’s help). Given that you know it would die if you took it out, how is this different to an abortion apart from the length of time you have waited 40 weeks instead of 20?
As i mentioned the head can explode. Risk from the mother is increased due to rotting, infection and massive bleeding if this baby dies at or before birth. Not to mention the psychological damage of mourning the loss of a child that is still inside you, while accepting the congratulations of those around you.
Take it out at 40 or 20 weeks it will die either way. leave it, and it and the mother may suffer (or also die). It comes down to a very personal question of when and how the family want to let their child pass away.
Family A might decide to go to full term, fully understanding the risks, and the futility, and the likelihood their child will suffer immensely at full term, well that is their choice. I will try to keep that mother alive and try to make sure that baby has pain relief (probably not likely due to the small amount of time and small veins).
Family B may decide not to take such a huge risk to the mother’s health, accept that the baby is terminal, guarantee it will not know pain and suffering, and want to take it out before the due date, I can only support that family too.
I believe that choice is better for mum’s emotional recovery too. Imagine Family A being forced to have an abortion against their religious ideology would do to them. Mum may end up dead or disabled, but she might willingly accept the risks.
Then imagine what being forced to carry to birth would do to Family B,
She might be forced to take unwanted risks, maybe be forced to die or have long term disability, may be forced to let her baby exploded inside of her if she goes into labour, may be forced to watch it gasp and writhe in pain. And just having to see such a deformed child can be intensely distressing for some – just look at the horror and disgust on this website for a picture of that poor malformed child.
I define necessary as reducing risk of death or major injury to the mother, especially when the child will not survive no matter what you do or how long you wait. So “imperfect” children who can survive are not what I’m talking about, nor ‘normal’ children who could be adopted.
And to the writers:
Again, this poor family. The breach of confidentiality this photo shows is an absolutely illegal and abusive. If that person works at a clinic they should have enough medical knowledge to know about this condition, but have used it as fuel for a debate because they know people will be horrified that it looks grotesque because it has anencephaly.
Imagine while you are devastated and mourning your baby, you lave it in the care of professionals for cremation, it gets propped up like a marionnette for everyone on the internet to be disgusted by AND be linked to these accusations. Shame on this person, and shame on the article for it’s shoddy, harmful, poisonous and plain wrong excuse for journalism.
When you use unrelated pictures of a dead disabled child to try to sway people, well, that is the most disgusting and unchristian thing I see on this whole page.
DrJ,
The truth I stated, and have to correct what you misquoted me upon, deserves a public response rather then private, for there are many people that will read this.
You state that 100% of the time, children in the condition die, the references you placed, point to not a 100% chance, but less then a 100% chance. This leaves a number in place that you choose to ignore, I do not.
You misquote me again, stating that I say God may heal both and keep both alive. I am talking about the God that created this universe, that has brought forth, arranged every single molecule, bit of energy, mass, dimensional reality, etc. He is the author of this universe and all that is within it, he can easily do any minute, to massive thing you could possibly imagine, and you to state that he probably can’t, is absurd.
You then move onto trying to explain ethics, along when to terminate and when not to, and I say hold on as long as humanly possible for both to live, and if an emergency operation must take place, no matter what it is, then do it, but I do not say terminate one life over the other for the other’s sake. This is the only moral and ethical approach to this situation. I have to again, re-correct your twisting of my statement in this area, I never said that the baby should be kept inside of the womb full term, that is what the experts who are monitoring both directly are to decide, it may be near full term, it may not, regardless, they must do everything within their power to keep the baby alive, “and not to let you twist any response further, but also the Mother alive”.
You failed to address my statement in regards to the woman taking this kind of a risk, all due to a choice she made, and sadly, this results in bringing in another human soul into the world that stands very little chance to survive in it. This is complete and total lack of responsibility and self control on her part.
We’ll keep this one going if you want, just know you will be educated in the process as well as our readers.
Self control in what aspect? What if she made this child with her husband? Or are you assuming all women who have an abortion are sluts who can’t keep their legs shut? Or is your statement blaming the woman for the child’s birth defect? I’m pretty sure we stopped doing that a few centuries back.
What reference? I provided none. Look it up yourself, anencephaly is a death sentence. Fine, we can argue nothing is impossible to god, and the baby could miraculously survive. However, this is about as likely as god bringing that baby back to life after this photo was taken.
It is a medical fact that risk is increased for that mother, even with the best possible management and monitoring.
This is an issue that a family and woman deserve to make themselves, informed of all of the facts, and not be forced into. And If I was a friend, I would support them in this difficult time no matter what they chose, and help them mourn their baby that could never be a baby. And judge not, lest I be judged.
Finally, I reiterate to the website, it is reprehensible to use confidential photos of a dead disabled child, out of context to try to push your point, because the disability looks grotesque. This image should be removed if you have any shred of decency.
I hope I’ve educated a few people that ‘Baby 1’ was severely disabled baby that could not live. That it’s skull and facial appearance is natural and not due to trauma. It is not a monster to be gawked at and reacted to with disgust, it is a baby, incompatible with life, to be mourned. That maybe it’s parents were devestated and had to make extremely difficult decision about when and how to let their child pass away. And that there is zero evidence this photo relates to the stories of murder as told in the video (If true). And that there is no excuse for taking the photo, putting it on the internet and slanderously linking it to this video. R.I.P. baby 1. Peace for your family.
DrJ, Self control as in, knowing one has a personal disability/disease, a 14 month old diseased child due to it, and yet deciding it’s perfectly ok to risk having another child who will likely suffer the same fate, and when it goes wrong, blame the government…irresponsible, and nothing was said along who her partner is. Abortion is NOT a form of birth control, and that is what this boils down to. Read that article if you need a reference to point towards, but you have to read the full article. You again obscure and twist what I stated.
Love the classic, judge not statement, can’t you guys come up with something new, be it’s not factual, at least break it up so that you are not simply stating the same words over and over again. Technically, you have judged who lives and who dies based upon speculating the odds, and the math still pans out to be it as a matter of odds, not certainty. Pesky math, I know, get’s in the way, but it’s useful when making decisions, especially when ones emotions are trying to dictate the decision process.
The photo’s, these as I stated before, are tame compared to what happens in a typical abortion, we in the pro life movement have been barred from posting them at most online forums. I know the truth is ugly, but it’s still the truth non the less. Think about what would have happened if the world was shown photo’s of what was happening to the people in the concentration camps, in real time, do you think even their own people would have put up with the atrocities? What is happening on the news is nothing compared to what’s going on world wide, what is posted about it is minimal.
You insist upon stating that someone needs to play God, when God is the only one that roll is for. You can say it in as many ways as you want, it doesn’t change the fact that you are deciding who lives and who dies.
Onto the next stage in this game. What is the real estate agent that rented the facility to these butchers, what company gave them their supplies, what company does the maintenance, phones, internet, etc., what is the contact info for the staff involved, and the patrons. We need to know these things so we can target them and boycott their operations due to it. This goes for all abortion facilities we hit them on the corporate level and we make it clear, any business done with places like that automatically places your operation on the black list and become a scourge.
Dr. J. — you are a sick lying coward. You think you can fool us by flashing your “credentials?” Guess what Bubba… the workers within this same clinic videotaped ACTUAL records that are showing at least 11 late term abortions per day with the average being about $3,000. This same video ALSO describes how they would COAX the women to come into the clinic and kill their children.
You sit there and think that you can use this photograph to somehow distract us from the fact that women with NON-malformed babies are coming into this clinic IN DROVES every single day after being PERSUADED to kill their children with babies that are (many of them) developed at LEAST as much as this one in the photo. Go hide behind your credentials “Dr.” Yes, even Mengele was a wonderful doctor I’m sure until a little thing called Nuremberg outed him.
One more thing … you mention the bulging eye and misshapen head. I’m going to have an OB friend of mine take a look at this. I have PERSONALLY seen plenty of photographs of accident victims with severe trauma and this is EXACTLY what they look like. Bulging eyes. As for the mishapen head … if you combine the type of trauma that this baby received … likely decapitation at the head and some sort of trama to the chest … combined with it’s soft skull (not full tern) … combined with the fact that it was forcably pried through the cervix (even if softened with cytotek) … it is NOT unusual or surprising that it would look like this. Your a lying piece of crap who really needs to crawl back to your little hole. I’m sure that you are just covering your tracks on this blog—I have little doubt that you are one of Planned Parenthood’s people trolling these sites.
Listen you Planned Parenthood troll…. You do not have a monopoly on exercising a medical judgment on these photos. But then … I guess a lot of “doctors” did that with the Gosnell trial. Trying to cover for that bastard. But then when the reports from DOZENS of witnesses included such things as “swimming in a toilet” and “screaming like an alien” you child killers just backtracked to saying “dirty conditions” are exactly why we need “clean, legal abortuaries.” That bulging eye claim you gave is nonesense and a total lie. I’m looking at pictures of people who have suffered head trauma on google images in car accidents and this is EXACTLY what they look like. And EVEN IF what you said was true … which I am quite confident it is not … those women in that clinic admit to persuading women to “kill their babies.” Thousands of them. Go ahead… go tell Planned Parenthood that you’ve been outed.
DrJ, life is 100% fatal.
Enjoy reading about the beautiful baby Faith, that lived 3 months with anencephaly:
http://babyfaithhope.blogspot.com/
Lrning, didn’t you know that it isn’t your “right” to determine whether or not a mother can have a baby like little baby faith ripped into little pieces. Get real Lrning. Let’s think about the mother’s right to rip a little baby like that to pieces. (SARCASM)
Dr. J. By your silence, I’m guessing you are conferring with your planned parenthood sponsors — or maybe you’ve just moved onto another blog to spew your lies.