Obama, Dems shut down Amber Alert website; restore under pressure
Above was the headline on Drudge until a few moments ago. Below was the message one got when trying to access amberalert.gov until a couple hours ago:
The latest, from The Guardian:
The Amber Alert child abduction notification system remained fully functional during the government shutdown, the Department of Justice insisted on Monday, despite its website being taken offline for a week.
The site was brought back online on Monday morning after a weekend of speculation, criticism and crowing over the weekend, particularly from rightwing commentators….
But the fuss was misplaced, the Justice Department said….
Although the amberalerts.gov website did carry a message saying it was unavailable “due to the lapse in federal funding”, the DOJ said the site merely carries information “about DOJ’s role in providing trainings to states on how to have amber alert system”, CNN’s Jake Tapper reported.
But erecting roadblocks to Ambert Alerts in any way whatsoever hinders the program. As I tweeted earlier this morning:
.@freddoso That DOJ claims Amber Alert fully functional despite website shutdown defies logic, ie who needs phones when we have morse code
— Jill Stanek (@JillStanek) October 7, 2013
Meanwhile, not only has Michelle Obama’s letsmove.gov website continued throughout the government shutdown without interruption, ”Barack Obama’s federally funded golf course remains open,” according to Erick Erickson.
So Obama has gone from targeting elderly World War II veterans to targeting missing children. But who should be surprised? Pro-lifers warned that a president who endorses partial-birth abortion and post-abortion infanticide will show similar disregard to persons at other stages of life.
But if we didn’t know it before, we know now via the Amber Alerts snafu that Obama/Democrat decisions on what government functions remain open and what don’t are completely arbitrary. As a matter of fact, did you know…
… the Washington Examiner on Saturday reported that only 17% of the federal government is shutdown, which would beg the question as to why a safety system such as the Amber Alert system is down.
This is another reason that, as Erickson reported:
Republicans are winning the shutdown fight, and Democrats know it.
People turning on the news this week came away with the knowledge that it was about Obamacare and kept hearing that Democrats wouldn’t negotiate. They also learned that for some reason the President didn’t want Word War II veterans to tour their own memorial, and Harry Reid won’t turn the funding on for cancer clinical trials at the NIH. Oh, and the rollout for Obamacare is one big glitch.
In addition to, and/or put another way:
Since the shutdown, John Hawkins of Townhall.com on Friday noted six things that the public has learned about the Democrats from the government shutdown.
Hawkins listing includes Harry Reid doesn’t care about kids with cancer, Barack Obama is willing to deliberately tank the stock market for political reasons, Democrats don’t care if Obamacare works or not, the Democrats absolutely, positively will not compromise, Democrats don’t care about veterans, and Democrats in Congress believe they should be exempt from Obamacare.
There is one shutdown I’m particularly happy about, even as I roll my eyes…
Due to Congress’s failure to pass legislation to fund the government, updates to this account will be limited. #Shutdown
— First Lady- Archived (@FLOTUS44) October 1, 2013
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
They also shut down commissaries (military grocery stores) on the bases that were stateside.
I should add that they are going to be reopened. They were shut down for a week.
Anyone know if the Dear Leader has shut down any of his favorite golf courses?
I fell of my chair when reading that tweet from flotus. Are some actually retweeting this fluff?
But the Amber Alert shutdown is unforgivable. How can some actually argue that Obama and his cronies are genuine, is mind-boggling.
I feel terrible for all the federal employees who are not being paid. Plus, this shutdown is resulting in millions of lost dollars from tourism.
are they kidding? or were they using this as a ‘see i told you so’ to make people panic about the shutdown? it’s a website! updates may not be available, but other than that the website should always be available.
Obama targeted WW2 veterans? How?
Reality,
http://nypost.com/2013/10/03/obama-shuts-down-wwii-national-memorial/
Also check out Obama targets ww2 vets on google.
Yes well, the NYP, no more need be said.
If the new confederacy hadn’t instigated and weren’t prolonging the current situation none of this would be happening.
Wait I thought we liked it when politicians did dubious things that harmed the nation when they don’t get the legislation/funding they wanted?
Oh, my mistake, we only like it when “conservatives” do it, because it’s actually everyone else’s fault when the “defenders of the average American” withhold needed programs and screw over American workers.
Jack,
The gov’t is only 17% shut down. There is no need to close this memorial, in fact, its probably costing more to shut it down than it did to just leave it open, as it is 24/7, 7 days a week.
Have you heard if the Dear Leader closed any of his favorite golf courses?
how do such terrible people make it into the white house. This country is going to hell.
John Boehner needs to recall the park police he dispatched to put these barricades up.
This country is going to hell.
Be careful with sharing all that negativity, Dark Cloud. Try to be more positive. AHRQ.gov put out this billboard but alas they are shut down too. Maybe they shouldn’t have been so stubborn.
http://www.sharememes.com/meme-this-year-thousands-of-men-will-die-from-stubbornness-no-we-won039t-httpwp-me/
This country is going to hell.
It wouldn’t fit ;-)
Mary,
I just pray the boRAT will close his mouth.
The democRATs would use the constitution wipe their buttocks if their neck and shoulders weren’t in the way.
Did you miss me?
Truthseeker,
Thank you so much for covering for me in my absence.
You and Mary are awesome.
Ex-RINO says: June 10, 2012 at 11:08 pm “For the record, I have three kids, my wife and I would never ever have considered an abortion, and I’m against it as I equate it to murder.”
Ex-RINO says: January 5, 2013 at 12:58pm “I think all kindergarten classes, by order of the state, should have a day in which they go see a live birth, go view an abortion, go to a funeral home and watch some prep work, and watch live sex in action.”
Nothing ‘creepy’ about that…..is there folks?
“Poor baby”
Ken, don’t quote people out of context, it’s rude. He made that comment in January because of people insisting on showing other people’s children graphic pictures of abortions. It was sarcasm. Which is blatantly obvious if you read the conversation and don’t cherry pick quotes to try and make someone look awful.
Isn’t there some rule against “bearing false witness” in some book that you are fond of?
I’m so tired of people just making up stuff about anyone who isn’t hard right wing that posts here. You can disagree with someone without lying about or to them. You can disagree with someone without trying to impugn them as a human being.
Hi Ken,
Yes I did miss you and welcome back.
I always enjoy your p— and vinegar. But you know when I correct you it is only with the best intentions.
Ken –
What the hell is wrong with you?
Seriously. I don’t mean to be as rude as you are – but did you get dropped as a baby, or picked on for years?
You know that is completely out of context.
Ken, just so I’m not a hypocrite I will say I mentioned you on another thread, I don’t like talking about people “behind their backs” so to speak.
If you think it was out of context then copy cut and paste the whole comment for every one to judge for themselves.
I can’t remember which thread otherwise I would link it, because I think it’s pretty unbearably rude to lie and manipulate people’s words to make them look like they support things they don’t. Do you have a Word document of Ex quotes that you throw down on unrelated conversations for no reason when it’s not relevant at all, or do you bookmark the threads?
I can explain how the convo went though. People were talking about graphic abortion photos, I can’t remember the exact conversation but I know that Ex brought up the concern that children would see them when they were not ready or their parents didn’t want them introduced to the concept. People told him, like they tell me all the time when I have the same concern, that it’s important to show kids these things early, and it’s free speech, and they need to know the truth, etc. So he made a sarcastic comment about if we’re showing them abortion so young, why not show them other controversial or “adult” topics.
Sorry Ex I am not trying to speak for you, I just get literally angry at people misrepresenting others, deliberately and maliciously.
You have got to be trolling right now, though. You understand what sarcasm is, yes? And how to read the context of a conversation to see if someone is serious, joking, or whatever?
Mary,
I appreciate your candor and I have no doubt about your motive and I am better for your correction.
We don’t always have a uniformity of opinion, but I always respect your wisdom.
Thank you
Hi Ken welcome back. Don’t really know if ex-gop was being sarcastic I don’t quite remember the thread. If he was being sarcastic ok but he has made so many comments kissing up to BHO and the party of death that it’s pretty hard to consider him committed to being pro-life IMO.
Speaking of being fair to others opinions, Jack I think our comments can get off base and pretty heated here (myself included) and you may have a point defending ex’-gop’s post as being sarcastic but I seem to recall even you calling someone an “idiot” that we were discussing on a different thread because you disagreed with their assessment of their own childhood (I would not attempt to tell you or anyone else how to assess their childhood). My point being those of us including myself who think we are non-judgmental are not all of the time. It doesn’t excuse us but it let’s us know we are still human.
Ken constantly harasses Ex, like practically every time Ken comments he’s out-of-context quoting him or calling him names. I’ll call him out because he’s a bully. Picking on one person over and over is bullying.
Okay, I called some writer who has never conversed with me or knows I exist an idiot for his opinions NOT about his childhood, I’ve told you that multiple times. I get upset with his accusations to people that have nothing to do with his childhood and his bashing on gay and bisexual men. I DO respect his right to say what he wants about his childhood, that’s NEVER been what I’ve complained about him.
People call me names all the time on this website and people never say anything about it. I think it’s hilarious when people get mad at me for calling someone I am not conversing with, and will never meet and have never met, an idiot. Especially since you all have many choice names for liberals, Democrats, gays, Obama, and anyone else who isn’t a conservative Christian. I’ve seen “evil”, “perverse”, “insane”, “idiotic”, “leech”, etc etc etc. Every name in the book. And only a few of the conservatives ever object to this type of talking about people, even when it’s directed to people like me that are actually commenting here and get their feelings hurt, rather than some writer or blogger that isn’t reading it.
Here is the thread:
https://www.jillstanek.com/2013/01/stanek-weekend-question-at-what-age-should-children-be-told-about-abortion/
Anyone can read it if they want – let me know if you think Ken is displaying it in the proper context.
Ken – you owe me an apology.
Oh, is it ever amazing to see this site’s most prominent trolls, Ex-GOP, Reality, and Jack, who seem to exist to try to discourage all the prolifers who visit this place, STILL complaining about Ken’s counter-trolling, even after YEARS of trolling on this website. You guys are really something.
Keep up the good work, Ken.
Jack is not a troll.
Eventually, we’re all going to have to come to an agreement about the definition of the word troll.
Also, I believe the best counter-trolling is to ignore those that one deems to be trolls.
Obama targeted WW2 veterans? How?
As always “reality” you take people here for idiots. Closing the Memorial which in the first place does not take any money to operate on a daily basis as it is not attended by any personnel. It is a walk-through area.
I have the utmost respect for anyone who faught for the US. Obama does not and never will.
Describing you as a troll is right on a description.
I will respond to your question above Ex.
Please get over yourself and grow some thick skin. If there is inconsistency in how others describe your commentary, point as you did to a particular thread to counter-act the person’s assertions. Ken obviously is not inappropriate as his comments have not yet been deleted by the mods.
I am just so tired of grown people acting like little kids on a playground whose toy was just taken away. Stop crying about being insulted because there are no insults but just strong opinions expressed above.
BTW Ex – you have a tendency to tell people here how they “should” express themselves and that is not at all the right thing to do.
A wonderful quote, attributed to a WWII vet at the Memorial:
“Yeah — Normandy was closed that day, too.”
Thomas you have no idea what you are talking about. Ken harasses people all the time if he doesn’t like them, for years. People have the right to tell him to cut it out.
And people definitely, 100%, can tell people that they don’t appreciate how they are talking about or to themselves. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard “people have the right to express themselves” sure they do, but you also have the right to tell them to eff off if they continually lie about you and insult you, like people do to liberals on this site like every day.
Oh and shut up John, not being a conservative doesn’t make someone a troll. You guys are pissing me off today.
Jack:
You and I differ on how we respond to things external, that is all. I prefer not to waste my time here on telling others how they have hurt my feelings and made me feel low and that their comment was inappropriate and so on. I cherish the freedom of thought and expression too much to do that…
I will let you say whatever you want here Jack and will not “correct” you. You did notice that I did not even respond on the other thread to your assertion in a response to me that “all you conservatives are horrible people” but explained my thought process further. I do not have the need to defend your assessment of conservatives (myself included) because I know what I represent, and that means that in real life that is not the case at all. If I wanted to I would have called you on it but what would that accomplish?
You must have missed on another thread how Ex “corrected” Mary to not refer to Obama as “der Fuhrer.” Did this serve an internal need to “correct” Mary’s freedom of thought and expression?
One last thought. Ken, please do not harass Ex anymore. You can harass me all you want but be warned that I can hold court as much as you can…
I don’t actually think all conservatives are terrible people, I was just mad.
You can cherish the freedom of thought and expression without laying down and taking it when people continually insult you.
I think he more told Mary that he finds her way of expressing her feelings about Obama childish. Why is her opinion valid to express, but his opinion about that type of name calling invalid? Makes no sense.
Ken won’t harass you, he only harasses non-conservatives and non-Christians.
That is exactly my point Jack! We say things in the heat of the moment you see!!! Let it pass!!! If I started whining about how you assessed me, our communication would break down. Mary did not respond to Ex’s assertions of her being childish either but “plawed” on (hats off Mary).
I think my advise would be: don’t take things laying down, get even in a very smart way.
BTW I don’t want to be picky but you called us horrible on the other thread and not terrible as stated here. Are you backtracking? (LOL)
I think there is quite a bit of difference between a few off the cuff rude comments made in the heat of the moment, and continual degrading insults daily. I actually used to be about a million times more polite on this blog but I got tired of constant insults and misrepresentation.
Good Jack – you are developing thick skin so needed in live. What that means is that you can distance yourself and not take comments personally.
Obama insults me daily with how he degrades my way of life and I still carry on with my head up high (LOL)..
I prefer not to waste my time here on telling others how they have hurt my feelings and made me feel low and that their comment was inappropriate and so on. I cherish the freedom of thought and expression too much to do that…
“There is no dignity for me in allowing another person to spit on me with impunity. There is no dignity for them or for me. There is only sickness, and it will beget an even greater sickness. It degrades me and brutalizes them. Moreover, it encourages them in their bestiality.”
- Black Man’s Burden by John Oliver Killens
I don’t ‘take’ people here as idiots Thomas R. Some give themselves up as such at times :-)
The memorial may well have been closed. Perhaps even unnecessarily. But that does not constitute obama ‘targeting’ anyone. It’s all the fault of the new confederacy anyway, not obama’s.
Describing you as a troll is right on a description – which particular description is it right on?
Well, this could be fun then – looks like i have free reign to just take quotes out of context and scope them how I want:
John L – 9:04AM –
“Oh, it is ever amazing to see…Ex-GOP, Reality, and Jack…on this website. You guys are really something”
Thomas -
I wasn’t telling Mary or you how to act (though it’s ironic that you are now telling me how to act, by saying I shouldn’t tell others how to act. Hello pot!”
Anyway, I was just saying I think less of people who do things like that – I think of them as being less intelligent as they probably are - less education, and less civilized and able to hold conversation.
That’s it – act as you want – just saying that.
I don’t have thin skin – I just take offense at people outright deceiving others and lying. If you don’t have an issue with that, it says more about your character than mine.
EGV,
Its unfortunate about your tender sensibilities but I am expressing my opinion that he conducts himself like a dictator. Now, you can believe its only coincidental the IRS has spied on people and paid a visit to Dr. Carson after he spoke up to Obama if you so choose. I see it differently.
I will be happy to match intelligence, education, civilized living, and the ability to hold a conversation with you at any time.
Reality,
So why was the Memorial closed?
The fault of the “new confederacy”
So Reality, please name for us who the “new confederacy” consists of and how they went about shutting down the Memorial.
So why was the Memorial closed? – safety reasons? An automatic part of the process? You tell me. Can you demonstrate that it was due to obama ‘targeting WW2 veterans’?
The fault of the “new confederacy” – indeed.
So Reality, please name for us who the “new confederacy” consists of and how they went about shutting down the Memorial. – those elements of the gop who have in part displaced the more rational elements and who strike fear into Boehner and co. Who possess a desire to bring down the government no matter what damage it may cause to others, even their own constituents. They instigated the shutdown so they shut down the memorial.
LOL Reality,
http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/dan-joseph/order-close-wwii-memorial-came-obama-administration-park-svc-says
I asked for names. Also, I want to know what specifically they did that resulted in an otherwise open air memorial being shut down and how they went about it. Please be specific.
Also, when you speak of a “new confederacy”, do you mean they plan to break off from the union and form a separate country as did the “old confederacy”?
LOL Mary, CrackpotNewsServiceNews?
How does that demonstrate that obama ‘targeted WW2 veterans’? Stop prevaricating.
If you want names, run through the voting list and see who insists they’ll vote for something they can’t have whilst their own cohorts are waiting to pass a clean bill.
They instigated the shutdown which brought about the memorial’s closure. Did you read the article you cited?
Also, when you speak of a “new confederacy”, do you mean they plan to break off from the union and form a separate country as did the “old confederacy”? – I’m not 100% sure what they fully intend to do. Neither do they apparently. But for now they seem content with causing as much damage as possible.
kenthebirther says:
October 7, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Ex-RINO says: June 10, 2012 at 11:08 pm “For the record, I have three kids, my wife and I would never ever have considered an abortion, and I’m against it as I equate it to murder.” Ex-RINO says: January 5, 2013 at 12:58pm “I think all kindergarten classes, by order of the state, should have a day in which they go see a live birth, go view an abortion, go to a funeral home and watch some prep work, and watch live sex in action.” Nothing ‘creepy’ about that…..is there folks? “Poor baby”
Ex-GOP says:
January 5, 2013 at 12:58 pm
I think all kindergarten classes, by order of the state, should have a day in which they go see a live birth, go view an abortion, go to a funeral home and watch some prep work, and watch live sex in action.
Just get it all over with.
I think that’s the right answer you folks want, correct? If I say things like Jack says about delaying this type of stuff, I’ll be labeled a horrible parent – so yeah, just get it over with right away. Age five. I’m sure they are ready for it.
Oh, they can wind down by watching Saving Private Ryan. It’s real, so therefore, it is good.
– See more at: https://www.jillstanek.com/2013/01/stanek-weekend-question-at-what-age-should-children-be-told-about-abortion/#sthash.ZAfx4BJY.dpfolks here
There you go folks. Unedited, in all it’s raw power.
You can see for yourselves why Ex-RINO was reluctant to post it himself.
“Poor baby”
Question: “Is the boRAT delusional?”
Answer: Is the pope catholic?
While there may be some justification to question the popes catholic credentials based on some of his recent pronouncements, there is no doubt that the boRAT is delusional?
That does not mean the boRAT fails to make the connection between the humanity of prenatal children murdered by abortion or american school children murdered by an insane gunman or Syrian children murdered by poison gas.
Whether or not they are human is irrelevant to the boRAT. He sees all as equally expendable and whose only intrinsic value…to him…is how they can be used as political props to enhance his public image and advance his political agenda.
The boRAT is delusional because he believes he is different from Gosnell, Lanza or Assad.
Ken –
I was arguing that graphic photos shouldn’t be shown to kids – and then used that as exagerrated sacrasm.
Now, maybe I was giving you too much credit – so I won’t be mean. I’ll pretend you are like my 8 year old.
Ken – sarcasm is when somebody says something in a mocking form to convey contempt. If somebody says something sarcastic, it is to belittle the idea.
So what you didn’t understand is, when I said that, I was saying it sarcastically because I thought that showing kids graphic images, including abortion photos, was a stupid, reckless idea.
Now, you didn’t get that – I’m not sure how you didn’t get it – but it’s clear you simply didn’t understand. Looking back at the thread, everyone else understood it, but in every race, there is a slowest kid. For every high school class, somebody has to have the lowest GPA.
So Ken, post what you want – but don’t be a jerk – 90% of my conversations on this board are actually pretty constructive. There’s no need to be a bully – no need to be a jerk.
Again – I think you owe me an apology, but I’m also okay with the simple explanation that you didn’t understand – you didn’t get it. That’s okay too (pats little Kenny on the head…).
I think, Ex-GOP, that there are some things kentheburper doesn’t get and others he chooses not to get. He’s been caught out so he’ll keep furiously obfuscating and distracting.
Having an issue is not the issue Ex. All of us are responsible for the content we post on this website. If I post something stupid (to you) don’t tell me not to post it but present a counter argument. “reality” is very good about that BTW, you not so much….
Thomas R – medicaid is for folks that qualify – I’m talking about uncompensated care in general – folks that don’t have insurance – that gets paid by those who have insurance, thus driving up costs.
Qualify, how? the dems allow for all sorts of welfare abuse for years and turn a blind eye for votes only.
As far as the costs, don’t forget about the 10 mil-dollar bonus for the insurance company CEO at the end of the year and also don’t forget about the pre-exisiting condition clause to help pay for that bonus.
Hospitals get re-imbursed peanuts for their services. Most of your premium goes to overhead and not healthcare services. That is the reason HMOs are being abandoned everywhere.
In case you have not noticed, I am keeping it light and today. I need to breath a little after yesterday’s exchanges. Peace…
I’ve been reading the comments on this site for years, rarely joining in, and I swear, someone needs to write a PhD dissertation on the commenting community here. It’s one of the most complex, fascinating, and sometimes absurd communities of commenters I’ve ever seen, and I read a LOT of online communities. What’s amazing is that for the most part, it has seemed to be made up of the same 15-20 people for the past five or so years. That makes me think it wouldn’t be too difficult to sufficiently analyze the personalities and motivations of each major community member and do a rhetorical analysis of how the community affects the message of the site, how the site affects the mood of the group, and how the group exists almost separate from the site’s content. I swear, if I were still in graduate school, I’d be analyzing the crap out of you guys!
Your analytical skills must be rusty because aside from the 15-20 people commenting, there are hundreds more reading this commentary daily. I wish you guys would come out of the shadows and join in. Perhaps then Ella Rae could put her graduate school training to some good use.
Yes, of course there are far more readers, and there are certainly hundreds who comment on the different threads, but the commenting community is, without a doubt, shaped by 15-20 dominant voices that are distinct and unique from one another in some really interesting ways. You have the true believers, the long-term trolls on either side of the debate, the handful of moderates, the people whose comments appear to be driven by mental illness, the opposition who feel compelled to continue to comment despite their frustration, the one-issue thinkers, the maternal voices of wisdom/guidance, etc. It’s really fascinating to watch.
Reality,
I’m sure you would agree that simply because we don’t like a source it doesn’t make them wrong. So, prove my source wrong. I notice that while you ridicule sources, you do nothing to disprove them. Very convenient.
Again Reality, I asked YOU for the names. Back up your claim with names and facts. How did this necessitate closure of the Memorial, as you claim?
You aren’t 100% sure what they intend to do. Are you maybe 45-60% sure?
I’m just trying to say that you are a rhetorical goldmine and someone should pay attention to how fascinating the commenting community is here.
Lol now I’m just trying to figure out who is who in Ella Rae’s opinion.
Hi Ken,
You have said you respect my candor so I will again inflict it on you.
Sarcasm is just that, sarcasm. I can see EGV’s point here. I’m sure anyone could do an archeological dig on this site and come up with numerous examples of my sarcasm then try to use it to “prove” any number of things about me. Hopefully people have better things to do with their time.
People have taken me to task for what I said when I said it, not months later. If there is a misunderstanding, and there has been more than once, I am happy to clarify then I expect that to be the end of it. I have certainly misunderstood a person’s point and will again, but clarify and drop it.
Ken, we have far more important and interesting issues to discuss. However much we may disagree, let’s respect when people clarify for us if we misunderstand, as EGV has done, then move on.
And that’s exactly the reason I asked for the many more to come out of the shadows Ella Rae. Every blogging community is comprised of the many perspectives you just named above. Let’s not just single this community for the richness of contributions it provides.
But I’m with Jack on the who is who? Please humor us Ella Rae..
I want to be the maternal voice of wisdom and guidance. I called it.
Ella Rae,
I check in almost daily for the same reason as you. It is fascinating. Rather than imagining a dissertation, though, I play an internal Jill Stanek commenter drinking game.
Lol len share your criteria. Ninek had a couple hilarious drinking game jokes for a while. This place is crazy.
Hi Jack 3:47PM
LOL, Hey come on, you’ve got to at least be a broken down old broad like me before you even consider such an important role! :)
Dangit, I guess my comments will have to be driven by mental illness! Lol, true enough.
Not crazy Jack but engaging…
You’ve thrown a few – poorly aimed – mud pies Mary, and you’ve attempted to muddy the waters, but so far you have comprehensively failed to demonstrate in any way that obama ‘targeted WW2 veterans’.
OK Reality,
I’ll make it simple.
Who would be hurt the most by this Memorial being shut down, and we know from my source his administration ordered it shut down? Remember this is an open air memorial and it likely cost more to shut it down than to just leave it as is.
I’ll help you out. The aging and infirm WW2 vets making what would likely be their last chance at a pilgrimage.
Who would be hurt the most by this Memorial being shut down, – all veterans, plus their families and friends as well as anyone in general who wished to pay their respects I expect. Hard to say who would be hurt the most, but probably any veterans, from any conflict. Do you have a different idea?
and we know from my source his administration ordered it shut down? – no we don’t. You cited an unreliable source which therefore makes the claim unreliable.
Remember this is an open air memorial and it likely cost more to shut it down than to just leave it as is. – that may be a possibility.
I’ll help you out. The aging and infirm WW2 vets making what would likely be their last chance at a pilgrimage. – I don’t need your help to figure that one out, thanks. I saw the footage and had already drawn that conclusion.
So tell me, which bit demonstrates that ‘obama targeted WW2 veterans’? That he himself expressly directed the closing of the memorial with the specific aim of preventing those WW2 veterans from being able to visit it. And if that was his plan why did he not act to prevent them accessing it in the way that they did.
Reality,
Again I will try to keep this simple. The WW2 veterans who this Memorial honors are aging and infirm. This is their last opportunity. They came on the honor flight. They are the ones who will be the most adversely effected if they are shut out of their own Memorial.
You called my source unreliable. OK, show me a source to counter mine. Of course I get to decide if its reliable or not.
An open air memorial is more expensive than the police and barricades needed to shut it down. OK Reality, whatever.
You saw the footage and realize how old and infirm the WW2 vets are. Well will wonders never cease.
You will have to ask the Dear Leader why the Office of Management and Budget, which answers directly to his administration, ordered the park to shut down.
Mary – is this the same source you use for mystery lawsuits?
Again I will try to keep this simple. The WW2 veterans who this Memorial honors are aging and infirm. This is their last opportunity. They came on the honor flight. – I know all this. It’s not in dispute.
They are the ones who will be the most adversely effected if they are shut out of their own Memorial. – they may well be but you don’t know if any other groups of similar circumstance may have arranged a visit.
You called my source unreliable. OK, show me a source to counter mine. Of course I get to decided if its reliable or not. – why? You made a claim based on an unreliable source, not me. That means the claim is unproven.
An open air memorial is more expensive than the police and barricades needed to shut it down. OK Reality, whatever. – ever heard of public saftey? Liability? Tea Party protestors?
You saw the footage and realize how old and infirm the WW2 vets are. Well will wonders never cease. – since my father and uncles were WW2 veterans and my father also a Korean veteran, yes indeed.
You will have to ask the Dear Leader why the Office of Management and Budget, which answers directly to his administration, ordered the park to shut down. – well I could try. But that wouldn’t change the fact that you can’t demonstrate that ‘obama targeted WW2 veterans’. That he himself expressly directed the closing of the memorial with the specific aim of preventing those WW2 veterans from being able to visit it. And if that was his plan why he didn’t act to prevent them accessing it in the way that they did. For all you know he may have been the one that directed that they be allowed access once they showed up.
Are you going to be riding with the truckers who are intending to arrest obama Mary?
EGV, 8:31PM
What are you talking about?
Reality 8:42PM
Oh absolutely. Got my rig all set and ready to go
Mary – you said you had a good source.
I was wondering if it was the same source you used for that “lawsuit” of the stolen medical records.
Reality, 8:38PM
LOL
I’m glad to see that at least some of what I say registers with you, however slowly.
Well EGV,
Last we spoke you hadn’t found any proof this was a fraud, in fact as I recall you were counting on your sniffer as the only source that it was.
You might want to get a move on then Mary. They’re planning to clog the beltway on the 11th. And have you had T2SDA signwritten on your rig yet? You won’t be allowed to participate otherwise.
LOL
I’m glad to see that at least some of what I say registers with you, however slowly.
LOL, it’s fun seeing you attempting to play out your fantasies.
Reality,
I wish them luck. Hopefully they’ll succeed. Unfortunately my rig won’t be ready in time.
lol, it’s fun seeing you attempting to play out your fantasies.
*eyeroll* Whatever you say Reality.
Are you being serious about wishing them luck Mary? I can’t tell if my sarcasm filter is fault or if you’re being serious.
*eyeroll* Whatever you say Reality. – roll your eyes over this. Since my family was involved in WW2 military activity and some of my clients are military and former military, dating back to WW2, your attempt to imply that you provided any information to me regarding the fact that the WW2 veterans are aged and infirm is sheer fantasy.
Unfortunately my rig won’t be ready in time. – so your 9:09pm comment Oh absolutely. Got my rig all set and ready to go was fantasy too was it?
Hi Jack,
I think the people of this country are fed up with all the crap in Washington and that includes me. So yes I wish the truckers luck.
Don’t panic Jack. This country survived the War of 1812, The Civil War, The Great Depression, the Dust Bowl, and 5 years of Obama. We’ll survive the truckers as well as the Oct. 13th million vet march on Washington war memorials.
BTW, my having a rig is sarcasm
Reality,
Why don’t you give it a rest? You’re beginning to ramble.
Nice try Mary – well, not really. I’ve simply been giving you every opportunity to support your claim. You’re the one who keeps wandering off on tangental rambles because you haven’t been able to.
Apparently even your sarcasm lacks consistency. No biggie ;-)
Reality,
Like I said, give it a rest.
Better yet, follow the advise I often give EGV. Go have a beer and call it a night.
You can’t just tell me to ‘nick orf’ just so you can evade dealing with what you’ve claimed.
EGV? I’ve not seen you tell anyone to go have a beer and call it a night, certainly not ‘often’ at least.
I don’t drink beer anyway.
Reality -
The other night, Mary was claiming the IRS stole a bunch of medical files, though she couldn’t find anything less than 6 months old on the mystery case, and she couldn’t come up with anything plausible that the government could do with these medical files if they had them in the first place – so after getting backed into a corner, she said she was confused, told me to drink beer, and has disappeared from the thread. It was odd.
Reality,
Don’t blame you, I never touch the stuff either.
EGV,
LOL. Just google or yahoo and even you will be able to find out all kinds of info on this matter. Better yet, show me a source, other than your nose, that proves its a fraud.
Go have a beer EGV and call it a night.
Mary – I can, back in May. And then the case disappeared – like it was some right wing conspiracy. Never advanced past ‘John Doe’.
Can a person prove that Bigfoot doesn’t exist? I suppose my proof is that nothing is available since that mysterious news broke.
But regardless, we couldn’t think of a scenario of misuse anyway…
EGV,
Please go have that beer. It might help you think more coherently.
Don’t you just love it Ex-GOP, when someone can’t provide the evidence for their claim so they tell you its out there so go find it yourself. Funny as, that one is. Someone else here once told me to ‘go google’ when they couldn’t come up with anything whatsoever to support some outrageous claim they’d made.
Consuming alcohol will assist in coherent thinking? Wow, which study showed that?
Reality,
I’m pointing out that EGV is babbling such nonsense that beer can only improve his thinking. I didn’t realize anyone would take that literally but then I should of realized who might be reading it.
FYI I have posted sources for EGV on this matter that he has simply chosen to ignore so fine, he can go see for himself. The info is out there.
I find Ex-GOP to be completely coherent in what he is presenting. No nonsense in any of his comments above.
I didn’t realize anyone would take that literally – given some of the stuff you come out with I can’t make assumptions.
Did those sources include CNSNews? Whatever they were, I doubt Ex-GOP ignored them. I would hazard a guess he found them to be a joke.
Whoops, sorry wrong thread.
Reality,
I find Ex-GOP to be completely coherent…..
You would.
I can’t make assumptions Obviously neither can I
Reality, even you, as well as EGV, are capable of going to google and yahoo and finding this info, as well as counter sources to what I posted, so be my guest.
Whoa! Jack! What are you doing here?!? :-)
You would – hey, it is what it is.
Obviously neither can I – are you sure?
Reality, even you, as well as EGV, are capable of going to google and yahoo and finding this info, as well as counter sources to what I posted, so be my guest. – when you are called upon to provide evidence for a claim it needs to be reliable, unbiased sources and evidence. You can’t deliver trash and then demand others seek out better on your behalf.
Reality,
When you have the source that backs up your claim that mine was false, let us know.
Are you making fun of my sentence structure “reality” only to avoid owning up to being a troll?
As of today, since the shutdown began 37 active Military have died in combat and Obama is not restoring death benefits. His hatred of our Military is just too much to take in at this point.
When you provide anything, anything at all Mary, which lends any credibility to the claim, then I may feel the need to disprove it.
Why Thomas R.? Did you want me to? I simply responded to the words you wrote.
Obama doesn’t hate the military or veterans. The tea party however, appears to have a difficult relationship with sanity.
Actions of Obama and his party in determining which benefits got axed speak louder than anything you can come up with to justify it. To expect the Military to fight for you during a shutdown but deny benefits at the same time is just totally un-American.
Which begs the obvious Thomas – that the GOP should never have stopped the funding of the government in the first place.
“Republicans seem intent on alienating the last group of voters that is hanging with them: old white people. First consider Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) adding Medicare to their shutdown and debt ceiling ransom note. Then add to that the demand of 50 House Republicans in a letter written by Rep. Reid Ribble (R-WI) that House Speaker John Boehner include slashing Social Security in the hostage taking.”
“More than 90 Catholic, evangelical and Protestant leaders have signed a statement rebuking “pro-life” lawmakers for the shutdown, saying they are “appalled that elected officials are pursuing an extreme ideological agenda at the expense of the working poor and vulnerable families” who won’t receive government benefits.”
“While the House frets over whether military chaplains will be considered essential or—shudder—have to curtail their activities, many religious groups are seeing rather more urgent problems continue to stack up.”
I don’t entertain “shoulds” Ex. The bottom line is that we are beyond this point as I have already tried to explain to our resident-philosopher. Now, the (soccer)ball is at Obama’s feet. Who he knocks out with it is all the proof I need.
Thomas.
The soccer ball is not at Obama’s feet. The GOP house people have a few different camps, wanting different things – and they have to reconcile that before they can figure out where they stand now.
The latest GOP proposal doesn’t even open the government back up – just moves the debt ceiling debate out a little bit, but keeps things locked down.
Hopefully this all costs the GOP the house next election – unfortunately, I think that American’s memories are way too short on this sort of stuff.
Check this out Ex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Public_Debt_Ceiling_1981-2010.png
According to the link’s chart, blaming the Republicans for this debt ceiling issue somehow does not hold up. I will be more than happy to post this chart in 2016 in case memories fail.
Speaking of 2016 - I will also remind all about Benghazi in case memories fail during elections. …
Thomas
Do you understand the difference between the debt ceiling issue and the funding of the government? We were talking about the funding of government, and now you seem to be talking about completely different issues.
Was this you, or did somebody hack your account? ”To expect the Military to fight for you during a shutdown”