Abortion ship runs aground
Confirming the phrase, “What goes around comes around,” Women on Waves has endured much misery during its 9-year run.
WoW hit on the idea in 1999 to hoist pregnant female passengers in ports of call where abortion was illegal, transport them out to international waters, abort them, and return the barren bonnies to their motherland.
The craven crew hit their first snag in 2002 when the Dutch government refused to issue a permit to their converted fishing trawler over safety concerns….
They overcame that obstacle only to hit another. In 2004 a Portuguese warship barred them from entering its waters on friendly terms.
And now this.
After trading in the trawler, WOW’s new “ship” dubbed Harmony ran aground on its way to abort in Ecuador 2 weeks ago, making it “almost sure it will not be able to arrive in Ecuador for the planned campaign.”
Too bad, but what lies beneath is even more dangerous. WOW is now promoting self-administered RU-486 abortions in countries where abortion is illegal. WoW always was about medical, not surgical abortions, which explained the small size of its “ship”:
[I]n order to be able to sail to international waters to allow women to swallow the abortion pill, one does not need a huge ship with a hospital on board. There is no risk at all that a medical problem associated with the medication can happen at high sees [sic].
(“No risk at all”? Does that sound like a real medical professional speaking? Does that not defy simple common sense?)
Then, after stating, “Every 7 minutes a woman dies unnecessarily from an illegal abortion,” WoW promotes illegal abortions by telling mothers in crisis pregnancies where abortion is illegal to order the RU-486 abortion cocktail online after getting an online doctor “consultation.”
This is all incredible.
WOW admits on its website RU-486 abortions work only 90% of the time, with an increased risk of deformity should the preborn baby survive. (Making lemonade from lemons, WOW says fetal deformities may open the door to a legal abortion.)
WOW also claims a “97% success rate,” which means 3% of medical abortions are unsuccessful – hemorrhage? incomplete abortion? infection? Whatever, WOW is placing 3% of its clientele in danger by starting something it is not medically equipped to finish. Will illegally aborting pregnant mothers in trouble seek help?
But there’s more. Only yesterday came this news report:
Early studies conducted by University of Michigan scientists point to rare, fatal infections in off-label use of misoprostol, a drug used to cause abortion. When taken orally, RU-486’s companion drug – misoprostol – is safe; however, vaginal use may undermine the body’s immune responses and is now believed to be linked to the deadly infections seen in [8] women taking the drugs since 2000.
Meanwhile, the WoW website advertises:
It shouldn’t, but the abortion industry continues to shock me.
[HT: Shameless magazine]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
This is what happens when abortion is illegal.
This is what happens when sex is promoted as recreation. Its what happens when the gift of fertility is scoffed at.
“abortion cocktail”?
At least their are some people willing to help women with crisis pregnancies. A lot of countries really couldn’t care less about the health of the pregnant woman, remember the Polish woman who lost her eyesight because of a pregnancy? Now how is she going to support her family when she is blind? Forcing women to have child at the expense of their or their families well being isn’t helping anyone.
I don’t care if you think having a baby is a gift, or if you think God doesn’t give you an obstacle you can’t overcome, sometimes abortion is just the right thing to do, and obviously a lot of women feel this way.
Liz, so it’s celibacy or kids? I don’t think sex should be reserved for only those who can afford or want children. The urge to have sex is natural. Just because it’s natural doesn’t mean we should be having sex when we’re thirteen and get urges. Natural doesn’t always mean the best for a person.
Yes, Jess, I too am glad that there are Pregnancy Care Centers to help women with crisis pregnancies.
8 women have died from chemical abortions. How has that helped them?
Abortion is always wrong. Always.
“8 women have died from chemical abortions. How has that helped them?”
If 80 women would have died from illegal or self-abortions, that’s a huge help to many women.
80 women didn’t die from illegal abortions.
8 women have died from chemical abortions.
Sorry but when you use ‘WoW’ some of us nerds will think you’re referring to World of Warcraft.
Carla you may be interesting in looking at this site:
http://www.now.org/issues/abortion/120904women-who-died.html
One story that really touched me:
“Denied a legal abortion though her pregnancy was diagnosed as life-threatening, Ruth Friedl attempted to self-abort by drinking a plant poison, ergot apiol. That night at the dinner table of their home in Denver, Colo., with her husband and two small children present, she collapsed and died.”
And there are so many women out their who don’t have good or any access to prenatal care, and thus increases their chances of death during childbirth.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040528.html
By 1972, the year before the Roe v. Wade decision, the Centers for Disease Control reported that 39 women died from illegal or self-induced abortions.”
There are ob-gyn’s that specialize in high risk pregnancies. And the woman drank a POISON. HELLO – that’s the dumbest thing in the world to do. NOW is a pro abortion organization, I have no reason to read the stories on that site.
For me, what Saint Gianna did was the most admirable thing in the world – she refused an abortion so a fibroid or tumor (can’t remember exactly) would be treated, and died shortly after the birth of her youngest child.
A woman who puts her baby’s life above her own is one to admire.
Maybe people would be more open to “pro-life” if rape were illegal?
http://www.refugehouse.com/resources_marital_rape.html
“Although the laws against marital rape have become stricter than in years past, there are still some gaping holes in the legislation. In 33 states, for example, a husband is still exempt from prosecution for the sexual assault of his wife if she is mentally or physically impaired, unconscious, or even asleep. It is estimated that 10
Sorry but when you use ‘WoW’ some of us nerds will think you’re referring to World of Warcraft.
Posted by: Cranky Catholic at June 18, 2008 4:25 PM
I’m sure some of the characters on the Harmony, LOOK like those in World of Warcraft!
Ah, this MADE my day!
Man, are you guys still on your little power trip? Jeez… Persistent little buggers, aren’t ya?
Do me a favor? Please stop coming to Aurora and holding protests. I’d like to be able to walk around without being bombarded by your outdated self-righteous dogma/propaganda. Thanks!
The One
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“WoW admits on its website RU-486 abortions work only 90% of the time, with an increased risk of deformity should the preborn baby survive. (Making lemonade from lemons, WoW says fetal deformities may open the door to a legal abortion.)”
That is disturbing… they are suggesting that if the RU-486 doesn’t kill them, the deformities they get from it will give the mothers a ‘good reason’ to try aborting again. It’s a sick, sick world.
“There are ob-gyn’s that specialize in high risk pregnancies. And the woman drank a POISON. HELLO – that’s the dumbest thing in the world to do. NOW is a pro abortion organization, I have no reason to read the stories on that site.”
Some places don’t have advanced medical treatment to deal with those situations. She wanted to stay alive so she could be there for her family! You’re attitude about dying so you can have a child is completely anti-woman. You are saying the best thing a woman can ever do is to have children. No wonder so many people don’t take women seriously, they just see us as giant wombs whose only purpose is to have children.
“A woman who puts her baby’s life above her own is one to admire.”
I for one would rather have my mother then another brother or sister. I need my Mother, I love her and I would want her to fight for her life no matter what.
Man, what would these pro-abort folks think of next???
And Jess, where would the CDC get their stats of illegal abortions if they’re illegal?
I don’t care what any of you think, theirs more to me and my Mother, and my sister, aunts, grandmothers, cousins and friends then just our uteruses and things we can grow in them.
RSD, they autopsied the people who died of illegal abortions, and their families spoke out.
Funny, one of the people responsible for ROE v Wade ADMITTED they made up the number of illegal abortions to convince the public…
And yes, I would agree that women are More than what they could grow in their uterus.
Now, if we could only convince everybody that women are more than objects then this would be a better world…and that includes ALL women, too.
RSD women are more then objects. We’re more then just incubators for 9 months.
Now sit down for this one:
Some women don’t even want children! Ever!
That is just so sad. And some women can’t have children and then when other women can get pregnant and then abort, it makes my heart break. I am sure an infertile woman who can’t have children would have adopted the other woman’s baby in an instant.
Liz that is the worst argument ever. So if someone lives near the ocean they should go swimming every single day because someone who doesn’t live near the ocean can’t swim in it?
If you are infertile then just adopt, if you can’t adopt take in foster children, if you can’t do that volunteer with a youth group. Don’t force another woman to have a child for you.
Sure Jess…then these women who don’t want to have children should NOT be engaging in sexual activities!
What do you think?
If you say they still want to have sex…Then you’re guilty of objectifying them, too…
“Sure Jess…then these women who don’t want to have children should NOT be engaging in sexual activities!”
You’re joking right? some kind of sarcasim I’m missing?
A lot of women do like sex, just like men. I know you probably don’t believe me, but yeah we can even have orgasms!
Not all women like sex, but yeah a lot of them do and they might not want to get pregnant.
Sure sex could get you pregnant, eating could make you fat. Whatever, we can try prevention but these things happen. No one’s perfect, mistakes happen, we shouldn’t have to be reminded for the rest of our lives.
Jess, if you really want to stir things up, change that to “we shouldn’t have to be punished for an accident.”
Hal, I bet you some pro-lifer is going to come here and argue, “So drunk driving is alright cause it’s your body?” No it’s not your body, the person you hit in your car was not living inside your womb. Do you get the difference between inside and outside?
Now someone will say, “Wow Jess you’ve been standing up for yourself lately, is everything ok?”
Actually my friend and I (with help from some kind passerby’s and the local police) saved a little bird yesterday, and today I helped a small sun turtle cross the road.
Now I’m saving my right to choose : )
Actually, Jess, I was going to ask you if everything is okay because you seem to be putting words in people’s mouths a lot lately. Not because you’re standing up for yourself.
Actually my friend and I (with help from some kind passerby’s and the local police) saved a little bird yesterday, and today I helped a small sun turtle cross the road.
Posted by: Jess at June 18, 2008 5:47 PM
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I like tuh-tles.
If you live in a country where there is no access to safe abortion services and you would like to obtain a medical abortion with Mifepristone and Misoprostol, please go to Women on Web. This is a online medical abortion help service that refers to a doctor who can provide you with a medical abortion.
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The WOW website also has testimonies from women all over the world. You can search by many different criteria.
Here’s one example : Keely
How old are you: Between 40 and 46
Year of abortion: 2007
Country of abortion: United States
Supportive and caring. All of my loved ones just wanted to make sure that it was my decisionand that I wasn’t being coerced into by anyone. I felt grateful I have so many friends that cared that much about me.
Type of abortion: with medicines
It was private and I was thankful for that.
Reason for abortion: problems with my relationship, my personal reasons for not wanting a child
I had the abortion because I felt that at this time in my life in an unstable relationship with a selfish bastard I wouldn’t bring a child into my life. I didn’t want the responsibility of doing it on my own. I would rather be angry at myself for being cowardly than being angry with my 2 year old because they need me after a long day at work when my patience would be very thin.
Feelings about abortion: grieving, disappointed, selfish, confident, angry, confused, in doubt, guilty, afraid, sad
I am confident in my decision to end my pregnancy. I am feeling very sad and angry. I know I am still grieving, I am disappointed in myself for not standing up for what I wanted because I was afraid. It has been a month since my abortion and the waves of feeling are lessening with the time in between them. At times like this, late at night, is when I feel the most sorry for myself and the most heartbroken. My anger is lessening but I think I will always be just a little sad and I will always know that a little piece of me died the night of my abortion. Keely
Religion no religion
Children: i have no children
Janet, I couldn’t find the testimonials on their website. Do you have a link?
Skinhead Dan: 4:49 PM Man, are you guys still on your little power trip? Jeez… Persistent little buggers, aren’t ya?
Do me a favor? Please stop coming to Aurora and holding protests. I’d like to be able to walk around without being bombarded by your outdated self-righteous dogma/propaganda. Thanks!
The One
The Only
Your friendly neighborhood
Skinhead Dan
Do us a favor! Come join us and maybe we’ll get PP closed down sooner. You can always walk a different block on that one Saturday a month, ya know?
When am I putting words in people mouths Elizabeth?
Hal,
Right, it’s testimonials, not testimonies!
The link is on my comment just before that one. Here it is again:
http://www.womenonweb.org/
Come join us and maybe we’ll get PP closed down sooner. You can always walk a different block on that one Saturday a month, ya know?
Posted by: Janet at June 18, 2008 6:39 PM
Do you think closing down one Planned Parenthood clinic will reduce the number of abortions at all? Has it occurred to you that as a result of the other services provided, closing the Aurora clinic might result in an increase in the number of abortions?
Hal, I bet you some pro-lifer is going to come here and argue, “So drunk driving is alright cause it’s your body?” No it’s not your body, the person you hit in your car was not living inside your womb. Do you get the difference between inside and outside?
Posted by: Jess at June 18, 2008 5:44 PM
Except Jess, the baby is NOT your body either. Therefore, unless your body is in imminent danger of death, you don’t have the right to harm another person’s body.
Jess @ 4:07 PM
sometimes abortion is just the right thing to do, and obviously a lot of women feel this way.
Sometimes killing is the right thing to do huh?
Only works if you buy the lie it’s not a human being Jess – just imagine it was one of your hamsters in there…
I like tuh-tles.
pre-born hamster?
“Except Jess, the baby is NOT your body either.”
Patricia, it’s in your body attached to your body sustaining itself with your body so you should be able to do what you want with it.
“Only works if you buy the lie it’s not a human being Jess – just imagine it was one of your hamsters in there…”
It is a human being, but it’s attached to your body, you should be able to unattached it from your body. And no I wouldn’t want my hamster living in my uterus. That’s just weird : /
Jess @ 5:44 PM
Wanna talk property right Jess? Okay – where’s your deed of rights? How did you get them? When did you get them?
Treat your own child as disposable?
Anonymous isn’t allowed anymore! I’m following the rules!
Bethany, you love turtles too! Awesome!
Jess @ 6:48 PM
Why is it weird Jess?
That was me Jess. I’m the anonymous above – too quick and I’m not at my regular computer.
It is a human being, but it’s attached to your body, you should be able to unattached it from your body. And no I wouldn’t want my hamster living in my uterus. That’s just weird : /
But would you intentionally kill it, if it somehow was stuck there and you knew it would live if you left it there for a while?
Jess – what are the preborn – aren’t they humans like you and me? Doesn’t that make them valuable?
Do you think closing down one Planned Parenthood clinic will reduce the number of abortions at all? Has it occurred to you that as a result of the other services provided, closing the Aurora clinic might result in an increase in the number of abortions?
Posted by: Hal at June 18, 2008 6:42 PM
Yes and Yes. I don’t think abortion numbers will increase if PP Aurora shuts down. I think if one by one all the clinics disappeared within a 500 miles radius – long term goal – women might not depend so much on abortion as backup birth control. If PP couldn’t do abortions, they’d have to sell a lot of condoms to keep their businesses running.
Okay – I posted anonymously again. Sorry.
Gotta go!
Many women have NO clue about the development of their baby and they buy the lies that Planned Parenthood tell them. If they were given the chance to have the love and support from pro lifers who really want to help them during their pregnancy and afterwards, they would not be seeking abortions.
And employers should not discriminate against women who are pregnant, either.
I don’t care what any of you think, theirs more to me and my Mother, and my sister, aunts, grandmothers, cousins and friends then just our uteruses and things we can grow in them.
Well, Jess, here’s just one example. Nobody on here ever said that there wasn’t more to you or any of your family members than just your uterus. This may be your interpretation of what people say here but nobody has ever said this. So for you to make such a statement is like refuting an argument that nobody even made. I mean maybe you’re thinking out loud, but don’t throw things out there like anybody here ever said that.
Cranky Catholic: Sorry but when you use ‘WoW’ some of us nerds will think you’re referring to World of Warcraft.
Ha! ^5 (High-Five)
Cris, my hamster would suffocate if he was in my uterus. Also he’d probably panic and scratch me.
Elizabeth, it implied that the best thing a woman could do was to have a baby, that having a baby was something a woman should die for, if needed. And not to point the finger of blame but how many people here tend to lump pro-choicers with people who are pro-abortion, and believe abortion should be mandatory for some, which is different from pro-choice, and rather offensive to us.
Elizabeth…I wuv you…
http://www.thatsweird.net/Pictures/puppy_love2.jpg
Do you still wuv me? : (
I am still amazed at this story and find her to be an inspiration. What a mom!!
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08061303.html
Patricia, it’s in your body attached to your body sustaining itself with your body so you should be able to do what you want with it.
Nope. It’s person with it’s own special dignity and worth. You may not kill the unborn child just because you want to.
Would she be a bad Mom, or a bad person, if she choose her life over the life of her child? What if it wasn’t her first child, but if she died and left her other children motherless. In my opinion, kids don’t need a hero, they just need a parent, someone to be there for them.
“Nope. It’s person with it’s own special dignity and worth.”
Yeah it’s a separate person, human being, but women should have the right not to be pregnant.
Jess @ 7:31 PM
Cris, my hamster would suffocate if he was in my uterus. Also he’d probably panic and scratch me/
Ouch! Okay – I got silly to make the point.
Yeah it’s a separate person, human being, but women should have the right not to be pregnant.
You think that men have consequence-free sex outside of marriage?
While it may be noble to die for your unborn child, I don’t consider it good at all for your existing children. Particularly if you’re a single parent. Why would anyone be okay with a single parent dying and making her remaining children orphans?
A lot of people here have said that children need two parents, a mom and a dad, to grow up healthy.
Yet it’s somewhat better for a woman to die from an illegal abortion or even a traumatic pregnancy than it is for her to simply put her family’s needs above that of the unborn?
I don’t get it. Logically, it doesn’t work out. Emotionally, it doesn’t make sense. If you love your family, yes, you’d die for them to survive. But I think a lot of mothers do have their children’s needs in mind when they get an abortion. That’s love.
A mom that puts her childs life ahead of her own is selfless. I would do it in a heartbeat.
A mom who kills her own child for convenience is selfish.(me included of course!!!)My childs needs were the last thing on my mind when I had her killed through abortion. That’s not love.
I have only heard of maybe 2 or 3 other mothers in this situation and I believe they all had supportive, caring husbands who allowed them to make this kind of sacrifice. It doesn’t happen often I guess is what I am saying.
Edyt While it may be noble to die for your unborn child, I don’t consider it good at all for your existing children.
I agree.
The part I disagree about is the abortion support.
We simply don’t kill humans because they are costly or inconvenient.
Please don’t call electively killing your unborn child “love”. It’s not even close, and you know it.
I want to encourage all of you to read “The Hand of God” by Bernard N. Nathanson. For over 20 years, he lead the abortion cause and as a medical doctor performed over 75,000 abortions (including his own child!). He is now a pro-life supporter. This book is required reading for everyone for anyone interested in this site. It covers the start of the abortion industry through Dr. Nathanson’s conversion to pro-life. It has been out since 1996, so your local library should have it.
Would she be a bad Mom, or a bad person, if she choose her life over the life of her child? What if it wasn’t her first child, but if she died and left her other children motherless. In my opinion, kids don’t need a hero, they just need a parent, someone to be there for them.
Posted by: Jess at June 18, 2008 7:40 PM
Gianna Molla didn’t feel this way. I’d have no problem with saving my baby over myself. I ‘d be scared to die but I was scared to have kids too. I’d know that God would provide, whatever the circumstances would be. He always has a plan. As I’ve stated before it’s all about your life perspective.
Forgot…
Excerpts of this book can be found on Amazon.com.
I want to encourage all of you to read “The Hand of God” by Bernard N. Nathanson….It covers the start of the abortion industry through Dr. Nathanson’s conversion to pro-life. It has been out since 1996, so your local library should have it.
Posted by: lovethemboth at June 18, 2008 8:34 PM
Yeah for libraries!! :-D
Chris, I wasn’t talking about cost or inconvenience. I was talking about the life of a mother.
The contrasting viewpoint that a mother should die to save her unborn child’s life vs. that children should be raised with a mother and a father just struck me as contradictory.
That’s what I was pointing out.
Carla: Abortion is always wrong. Always.
:: not saying anything…. ::
; )
Of course I still wuv you Jess!
And some women can’t have children and then when other women can get pregnant and then abort, it makes my heart break.
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So if you have a child to give up, you can give it to a woman who wants one.
Meanwhile, just because not all women can give birth, does not mean that other women “owe” them anything there.
And some women can’t have children and then when other women can get pregnant and then abort, it makes my heart break.
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Sabine:9:47: So if you have a child to give up, you can give it to a woman who wants one.
Meanwhile, just because not all women can give birth, does not mean that other women “owe” them anything there.
You are right, no one owes anyone a baby, but it would nice if they made the offer to someone before deciding to throw it away (abort).
Aw, Doug.
What a sweet gift and it’s not even my birthday!! :)
Happy Birthday Carla!
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“Do us a favor! Come join us and maybe we’ll get PP closed down sooner. You can always walk a different block on that one Saturday a month, ya know?”
Dammit, Janet, I love yoooooooooouuu… [Rocky Horror, anyone? Just kidding, only platonic love for a fellow human being]
Now, as much as I hate to do it, I agree with Hal. Closing down the one clinic would only really increase abortion numbers for other clinics. However, it’s not that I can’t just walk down a different block. I could, but it would be going out of my way and plus, one of my favorite diners is there.
However, it’s the fact that I still see parents putting signs in kids hands without properly informing them with an unbiased view on what abortion truly is. If the kid believes that it is wrong, more power to them. If they don’t agree, don’t force them to hold signs and picket something that they truly do not understand.
It’s also the fact that you guys keep putting your PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS BAD FOR AURORA in my front lawn. My PUNX and I have already edited a bunch to say RAD, so I get to have a little fun making mischief, but really, it’s just starting to get annoying.
Now, considering that I have homework to do for my classes and I’d rather that my professors didn’t kill me, I’m going to end this post. However, if you’d like to meet up and chat in person, just shoot me an email or something. I’m not a bad guy, and MK & Jill can vouch for that. Hell, I have bad blood with Jill and I bought the woman lunch, for Johnny Cash’s sake!
So, I bid you adieu, and hope that everyone can open their eyes soon and see that this is a pointless battle we wage. I’d rather see abortions happening in a safely controlled clinic than some girl with a coat hanger or worse, the girl from my school who gave birth in her bathroom and then killed the child. Let’s avoid that, huh?
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Skinhead Dan:
You know, while we’re at it, let’s just legalize murder. That’s the ticket. Heinous and evil acts without consequences. You got an incovenience, no problem, get out of jail free cards sold here.
Take the OJ case for instance. Let’s just assume OJ really did do it OK, just for illustrative purposes. Would it not have been better if OJ could have just been able to take his wife and the other guy to a deathatorium, perhaps a microwave oven the size of a phone booth and say, “please kill these two people for me”. He’d whip out his Hertz VISA card, sign the $2,000 receipt and “poof” problem gone. No blood, no guts, no witnesses, and best of all, no lawyers.
It would have been much cleaner, OJ would have not cut his hand and LA would have saved a fortune in not prosecuting him.
Or, let’s take the Peterson, case. I mean how messy it must have been? Why couldn’t he, after deciding that his wife and future child were an inconvenience and that all he really wanted to to do was to screw some blond, just take her to a “sanctioned murder location” you know, they could call it “Planned Relationship” or “Marriage Mayhem” and just have her wacked, baby and all. Pay a fee, use PayPal, VISA, or AMEX, and get rid of the problem(s), right? Now that’s true freedom SoMG style, no? I mean a two for one sale. Buy one murder, get one free! Think of the taxes we’d save getting rid of all those police officers.
I’m going to go now and let you smoke some more weed. While you’re doing that, go into your bathroom and say this to your reflection, “I am logical, I really am logical, 1 plus 1 equals 6, 2 plus 2 equals 1, I am logical, I am logical”.
“Where there is no vision, the people cast off restraint”.
LizfromNebraska, you wrote: “Many women have NO clue about the development of their baby and they buy the lies that Planned Parenthood tell them.”
What lies does PP tell them? If you know of a case of PP lying to a client about fetal development you should report it to the District Attourney because along with PP’s federal grant money comes a legal mandate to tell clients the truth about everything. A PP worker who deliberately lies to a client about matters pertaining to her health is committing a federal crime.
Re: Shameless Magazine, the source of information for this blog post.
As one who demonstrates a passion for language, in this case, English, allow me to inform all those affiliated with this mis-named publication…..
ShameFULL is apropos, my dears, ShameFULL.
Full of shame, to be certain.
No one’s perfect, mistakes happen, we shouldn’t have to be reminded for the rest of our lives.
OPEN THE PRISONS! FREE THE RAPISTS! LET THE CHILD MURDERERS GO! WHY SHOULD THEY BE REMINDED OF THEIR MISTAKES FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES!?!?!?!
What lies does PP tell them? If you know of a case of PP lying to a client about fetal development you should report it to the District Attourney because along with PP’s federal grant money comes a legal mandate to tell clients the truth about everything. A PP worker who deliberately lies to a client about matters pertaining to her health is committing a federal crime.
Posted by: SoMG at June 19, 2008 3:10 AM
If you HONESTLY believe this SoMG, you are very naive. I don’t think they lie, I think they just give the woman enough inaccurate information that she is really not making an informed choice. They don’t tell women any of the risks associated with abortion but I’m betting they dump all over pregnancy and delivery. They don’t inform police of underage girls who are pregnant and who might be the victims of statutory rape and abuse.
I note you ONLY tell the woman IF she asks. Do you do an ultrasound and then show the woman the ultrasound of her baby?
Skinhead,
I thought that was you!
Did Jill let you back on the site?
How’s life a year later?
SoMG,
Given your fondness for chemical abortions, would you do abortions on a converted fishing boat?
Edyt said But I think a lot of mothers do have their children’s needs in mind when they get an abortion. That’s love.
Okay – so they love their born children. I understand that. However you said:
The contrasting viewpoint that a mother should die to save her unborn child’s life vs. that children should be raised with a mother and a father just struck me as contradictory.
If there are generally hard medical cases as you state, then the most appropriate course would be to elevate the medical capabilities of these countries – that would be loving of mother, father, born children and the unborn – right?
When will you anti-choice people get it?
When the government tries to force women to bear children against their will, it never works.
It never has, and never will. It has never led to anything but disaster for women and their families. Women will always find a way to obtain abortions.
We must all strive to prevent as many unwanted pregnancies as possible, and to reduce poverty, and we must NEVER make contraceptives illegal.
When will you anti-choice people get it?
When the government tries to force women to bear children against their will, it never works.
It never has, and never will. It has never led to anything but disaster for women and their families. Women will always find a way to obtain abortions.
We must all strive to prevent as many unwanted pregnancies as possible, and to reduce poverty, and we must NEVER make contraceptives illegal.
Skinhead Dan,
Are you really a skinhead? I ask because I’m truly curiuos because I just watched a show on National Geographic last night about American Skinheads. I learned there were skinheads that aren’t racists if one can believe that. If you’re a skinhead really, are you one of the non-racist skinheads?
Sk Dan: 1:31: Now, as much as I hate to do it, I agree with Hal. Closing down the one clinic would only really increase abortion numbers for other clinics. However, it’s not that I can’t just walk down a different block. I could, but it would be going out of my way and plus, one of my favorite diners is there.
If it bothered you that much, you could avoid it . Go in a different mall entrance.
However, it’s the fact that I still see parents putting signs in kids hands without properly informing them with an unbiased view on what abortion truly is. If the kid believes that it is wrong, more power to them. If they don’t agree, don’t force them to hold signs and picket something that they truly do not understand.
Unbiased view? A parent’s job is to give (their own) biased views to their kids, teach them values, etc…..One of the most ridiculous arguments I hear from the politically correct people, is don’t tell your kids abortion is wrong, cause it’s a choice. (They can’t know the truth!) (sarcasm alert) How is a kid going to magically know abortion is wrong? Let the mainstream media teach them?
It’s also the fact that you guys keep putting your PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS BAD FOR AURORA in my front lawn. My PUNX and I have already edited a bunch to say RAD, so I get to have a little fun making mischief, but really, it’s just starting to get annoying.
“You guys”? That may have been kids making mischief. You can send it to me, cause someone stole my sign from MY front yard.
Now, considering that I have homework to do for my classes and I’d rather that my professors didn’t kill me, I’m going to end this post. However, if you’d like to meet up and chat in person, just shoot me an email or something. I’m not a bad guy, and MK & Jill can vouch for that. Hell, I have bad blood with Jill and I bought the woman lunch, for Johnny Cash’s sake!
So, I bid you adieu, and hope that everyone can open their eyes soon and see that this is a pointless battle we wage. I’d rather see abortions happening in a safely controlled clinic than some girl with a coat hanger or worse, the girl from my school who gave birth in her bathroom and then killed the child. Let’s avoid that, huh?
Why don’t we teach our kids from a very early age that there are smarter alternatives to abortion, then we won’t have girls giving birth in high school bathrooms. Let’s teach girls to not turn a blind eye to their girlfriends in trouble. It’s hard to believe none of the girl’s friends stepped up to give her some help, or find a trusted adult who could help. A lot of people dropped the ball in that situation.
Robert 9:20: When will you anti-choice people get it?
When the government tries to force women to bear children against their will, it never works.
It never has, and never will. It has never led to anything but disaster for women and their families.
Have you ever visited a Women’s Center that counsels and supports pregnant girls/women? You might benefit from seeing how “the other side” really works.
Planned Parenthood has been known to tell women that the baby is just a piece of tissue or a blood clot, when advanced medicine (3D and 4D ultrasounds) show an unborn baby as early as 8 weeks after conception resembling a tiny human being.
Hisman:3:08: You know, while we’re at it, let’s just legalize murder. That’s the ticket. Heinous and evil acts without consequences. You got an incovenience, no problem, get out of jail free cards sold here.
Take the OJ case for instance. Let’s just assume OJ really did do it OK, just for illustrative purposes. Would it not have been better if OJ could have just been able to take his wife and the other guy to a deathatorium, perhaps a microwave oven the size of a phone booth and say, “please kill these two people for me”. He’d whip out his Hertz VISA card, sign the $2,000 receipt and “poof” problem gone. No blood, no guts, no witnesses, and best of all, no lawyers.
Good point.
Edyt:8:07: While it may be noble to die for your unborn child, I don’t consider it good at all for your existing children. Particularly if you’re a single parent. Why would anyone be okay with a single parent dying and making her remaining children orphans?
“There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for a friend”.
A lot of people here have said that children need two parents, a mom and a dad, to grow up healthy.
That’s ideal, but life isn’t perfect.
Yet it’s somewhat better for a woman to die from an illegal abortion or even a traumatic pregnancy than it is for her to simply put her family’s needs above that of the unborn?
I don’t know anyone who thinks it is better for a woman to die from (or get) an illegal abortion for any reason.
I don’t get it. Logically, it doesn’t work out. Emotionally, it doesn’t make sense. If you love your family, yes, you’d die for them to survive.
So you do agree, in a way.
But I think a lot of mothers do have their children’s needs in mind when they get an abortion. That’s love.
This is misguided “love”. Abortion is wrong no matter how good intentioned it may seem.
Hey Berger,
What’s poverty got to do with murdering your own off spring? Are you a poor?
This “never has been” and “never will be” writing of yours, is some of the most absolute statements anyone can write. Come on berger, lay off the absolute words and come back to reality from being a absolute myth maker for murdering human beings, that are the off spring of human beings. But, this crystal ball you stare into, and foretell the future with that “never will be” is bordering on God like qualities of you, Berger.
Then this totalitarian/absolute mind set of yours gets exposed with this “ALL must strive” statement of yours. And NEVER is another word used only by absolutist and totalitarian’s such as those Chinese are.
When the government tries to force women to bear children against their will, it never works.
Dang! And I just fed and bathed all those pregnant hostages…shoot, now I’ll have to let them all go!
MK, you bathe and feed your hostages? :-P
Jess, no one here is advocating that women be FORCED to be pregnant in the first place. I’m actually exercising my right to not be pregnant by having gotten a tubal ligation earlier this year, and when my husband gets back from Iraq, he’ll be getting a vasectomy so I can (hopefully) continue to exercise that right for the rest of my life. No one of us is suggesting that we go around forcefully inseminating women to cause pregnancy and chaining them down until that pregnancy comes to term. We are talking about women who are ALREADY pregnant, by THEIR OWN actions. Once that new person exsists through actions someone committed knowing fully well that those actions had a possibility of bringing that new person into existence-no matter where that new person may be-be it in their uterus, or in a jar in someone’s root cellar, or on Mars, or behind their left eye, that person has a right to have their life protected.
I fully advocating taking ANY and ALL measures to PREVENT that new person from coming to be (I really, really, REALLY mean that. Use condoms, the pill, IUD’s, whatever. Overlap methods, pull out, I DON’T CARE!), but once that person is there, it shouldn’t be allowed to be legally killed. I don’t care how many women might be in such a mental state that they falsely believe that mutilating themselves to end that life is warranted, we should work to help such women, but we don’t do that by giving them a free pass to end that life. I’ve said it before, and I will say it again:
Someone is in a psychotic state. They are CONVINCED that if they run over their child (who they are currently supporing every day with their time, money, and emotions which it requires to survive) with their car, they will have more resources, more money, the troubles inherent in their relationship will disappear (or if recently divorced, the child who reminds them so much of their failed relationship will be gone); their life will be better, and who’s to say it won’t? Now, this person, in order to kill this child, is driving quite dangerously, and quite possibly will die themselves in the attempt if allowed to continue in this manner. Does that mean that this person should be allowed by law to strangle this child in the car instead? It’s their car, and their child, right?
And Jess, I have no problem enjoying sex. It’s especially great when you know how to “win the prize”, so-to-speak, and have a significant other who knows what they’re doing, and there is a great deal of love between you. People in a committed relationship who don’t want children now and/or in the future should be allowed by all means to enjoy a full sexual relationship, and thank goodness that medical science is at a place which allows such a thing without having to worry so much about inadvertently procreating now more than ever.
But let’s not have a person who never asked to be in the first place pay for that relationship with their life.
I’d just like to conclude by saying:
FOR THE HORDE!
Alas, Yllas, you’re wrong about poverty and abortion. Not all abortions are for poor women, but many are. Look at prosperous countries in Europe, such as the Scandinavian countries and the Netherlands,etc. There are far fewer abortions here than the rest of the world, because the is far less poverty. Let’s face it, women who have the means to take good care of their children are far less likely to have abortions. It’s only logical.
Patricia, you wrote: “They don’t tell women any of the risks associated with abortion”
To do a surgical procedure without informing the patient of the risks is also a serious crime as well as a violation of medical ethical principle.
If you actually know of a case where an abortion was done without informing the patient of the attendant risks, you should take it to the District Attourney.
You don’t, of course. You’re just repeating slanders spread by PP’s enemies, who are motivated by religion, not by anything PP does.
I’m not motivated by religion.
Just out of curiosity, do you warn your patients that ectopic pregnancies, which are life-threatening, are often undiagnosed by abortionists purely because of the nature of abortion, and a possibility that they should be aware of and wary of after an abortion? Or is allowing someone to die of such a condition in order not to “fear” a woman into not getting a “safe and legal” abortion another “justifiable homicide” in your book?
2:54
GO XALISAE GO! GO GO GO!
No. Don’t go, xalisae. We like you.
Patricia, you wrote: “They don’t tell women any of the risks associated with abortion”
To do a surgical procedure without informing the patient of the risks is also a serious crime as well as a violation of medical ethical principle.
If you actually know of a case where an abortion was done without informing the patient of the attendant risks, you should take it to the District Attourney.
You don’t, of course. You’re just repeating slanders spread by PP’s enemies, who are motivated by religion, not by anything PP does.
Posted by: SoMG at June 19, 2008 3:53 PM
You and I both KNOW that they don’t tell women about the risks to abortion because PP DENIES there are any risks. So how can they inform their patients? No one will sue them – they are simply too big for patients to take on at this time. No one has the money and the resources to do this. PP knows they can do damn well whatever they want to when they want to. Just as you , as an abortionist can too. You can lie to your patients and your a$$ will be covered by the feminists, by other “doctors” and by the hospital you work at. “Choice” is THAT important – women don’t matter. It’s the ideology that has always mattered. Women have NEVER mattered – the solutions would have been different than abortion if women and children mattered.
To Carder: Life is looking up. I’m doing courses at community college, kicking some serious racist bigot tail with a mean pair of steel-toe Doc Martens, and just living my life to the fullest. I keep preaching my message of unity and whatnot, but alas, I fear that it is only a dream and nothing more. There is too much hate in the world today, and that makes me sad…
To HisMan: You haven’t changed at all, you stubborn SOB. While you do make a good point, I’ve grown enough to not let your infantile provocations get to me. I can’t help you with your anger, though I wish I could, so I can only hope that eventually it will all subside and you’ll be ready to see both sides of the coin. Oh, and don’t you ever confuse me for a pot-smoking hippie. I gave up drugs years ago, and I haven’t touched them since. You wanna go pick on hippies? Have fun, but don’t accuse me of being Smokey McPot. The only way I’m smoking the green again is if I ever run outta whiskey and beer, and that’s not looking too likely from where I’m sitting.
To Elizabeth: Yes, there are non-racist skinheads. We were the originals, before the neo-nazis moved in and claimed our image. Go to Wikipedia and look up skinheads for a full history, because I really don’t want to spend too much time explaining it here. Bottom line is that SHARP’s and trad skins are a dying breed, and with all the bigotry and hate in today’s society, the neos have more media power than we do. However, I swear this to you, we will take back the streets so that one day, people of all race, age, religious beliefs, and sexual orientation can live in peace and harmony. Most people on this site are living on their knees, but me? I’m gonna die on my feet, and that’s a promise I don’t aim to break.
To Janet: Haha, you’re funny. Do you do birthday parties too? I’m sure Hil-Dawg is so hot for you right now that she’s about to molest Billary and Lewinsky with a nine iron. All joking and jabbing aside, while I don’t agree with your views or your close minded dissection of my comment, I do respect your opinions and hope that maybe one day you can see things without those pretty rose colored glasses on.
Beannachd le!
I posted this on another thread, but apparently it’s really easy for what I say to you to mysteriously get lost in the shuffle, SoMG, and I REALLY want to make sure you see what I write from now on:
Eh. I’ve got things to do today, SoMG. Just let me know when you’re ready to grow a pair and talk with me and address what I’m saying like the rest of the adults instead of picking on utterly defenseless fetii all day.
Skinhead Dan,
It must be very challenging calling yourself a skinhead in today’s society. The special I watched last night spent like 10 minutes talking about the SHARP’S section of American Skinheads. Guess they weren’t as interesting or controversial for National Geographic. It’s too bad that there is such a stigma attached that it will be hard to separate yourself from racist SOB’s like the neo-Nazi’s. I’m glad to hear that you don’t be long to the racist portion of that group. I was worried, and am worried after what I saw last night on that special because my daughter is half-black. The racist skinheads are now assimilating into mainstream culture in order to be in better positions of power and manipulation for younger generations. It makes me very sad and nervous for my daughter.
Elizabeth,
Yes, it is hard, especially in a world that really just hates us because of what the Neo’s have done to our image. However, I’ve been fighting their bulls#!+ since I was a teenager, and I’ll keep fighting it until there isn’t a breath left in my body. Stay strong, and make sure you teach your daughter that being different is ok. Keep up with your literature, and I’d especially try introducing her to some forms of music that promotes unity and doesn’t involve a lot of racism. One of my favorite songs is called Unity by Operation Ivy, and it preaches my message better than I can. Say true, stay rude, and keep on protecting those you love, and I’ll do my best to keep that racist scum off the streets.
Beannachd le!
“We were the originals, before the neo-nazis moved in and claimed our image.”
Skinhead Dan,
I sympathize with this. I’m not necessarily saying that I’ve been a part of a group that has been hijacked by some bums, but it’s always a tragedy when a group’s original intent is bastardized by a minority. Keep up the good fight.
Bobby,
I agree. Before watching this special on tv last night, I thought skinheads were all just a bunch of racist SOB’s. But it didn’t start out that way. The whole special really creeped me out because neo-Nazi’s are now becoming better at integrating themselves into mainstream society and fooling many people into thinking they aren’t racist when they really are. Madness. It makes me glad to know that Skinhead Dan is not one of these people, but it does make one wonder how a group can transform so dramatically in a short amount of time.
Robert said ” When will you anti-choice people get it? When the government tries to force women to bear children against their will, it never works.
It never has, and never will. It has never led to anything but disaster for women and their families. Women will always find a way to obtain abortions.
We must all strive to prevent as many unwanted pregnancies as possible, and to reduce poverty, and we must NEVER make contraceptives illegal.”
First, abortion does not reduce poverty. And if that was our goal, then maybe we should all go out and bomb the poor neighborhoods… better yet, the orphanages. Lets just kill every homeless person and call it justifiable because we are reducing poverty.
Second, your right…there will always be people in the world who try to murder their children, specifically while they are inside their womb. If you’ve ever researched the statistics of abortions before and after Roe VS Wade, you would notice that after 1973 there was approximately tenfold increase in the total number of abortions. We are talking over a million abortions each year since 1973. By the way, women are still dying from abortions, legal ones. We are not saving thousands of women by making abortion legal:
“The claim that legalization has prevented the deaths of thousands upon thousands of women doesn’t hold up. Roe v. Wade saved some lives, but the numbers were small – reported deaths due to illegal abortion declined from 39 in 1972 to 5 in 1974. The biggest factor in reducing abortion mortality was undoubtedly the overall improvement in prenatal and obstetrical care after World War II” -Cecil Adams (thestraightdope.com)
Lets just face it the majority of abortions are for convenience (whether poor, emotionally unstable, or its just not the right time, etc). There are very few abortions that result from endangerment to the health of the mother.
How many lives have we literally thrown away in order to make life more convenient for women (and sometimes for the families of the women)? The toll so far is over 50 million.
What is the pro-choice crowd really fighting for? They claim it is for the women who were raped or the women whose lives are in danger if they don
xalisae @ 4:54 PM
I stopped arguing with SoMG when Bethany was completely disrespected by someone who desecrated photos of Blessing, (who she miscarried). SoMG completely ignored Bethany’s pain by deflecting that comments thread by replying to an entry I wrote on my blog on Jill’s blog! (Like I wouldn’t read comments on my own blog?) As it was, he believed my essay was directly written to refute him when there was no such intent.
Basically he’s a bigot who treats the unborn as property, because they fall within the body of another, never mind that by having sex there was prima-facie consent to the possibility of conception, and he’ll never answer the question as to when and how such bodily property-rights accrue to a person.
His reply didn’t refute my argument at all, (actually it was just irrational) and in the end he simply declared he was right. His arguments often beg the question – assume what he’s trying to prove.
In short – he’s not worth arguing with.
That said, I don’t wish him ill. I just have more productive, and enjoyable, things to do with my time.
Freiman explains the abortion issue best in Current Events, Conservative Outcomes. He believes that abortion and euthanasia are evil cousins and that God is disappointed that men think they can make decisions around the sanctity of life. Our mind is so small we cannot possibly comprehend the data needed to decide when a life should cease. He believes all people are connected through the holy spirit and to lose even one life prematurely throws off the balance. Men should never make decisions that are intended for higher powers.
Patricia, you wrote: “You and I both KNOW that they don’t tell women about the risks to abortion because PP DENIES there are any risks.”
Where did you get these two pieces of “information”? Both are false.
Find me a current PP document, any document currently published in any medium by PP, which denies that there are risks associated with abortion. I dare you. In fact, if you succeed in finding such a document, I PROMISE THAT I WILL STOP DOING ABORTIONS AND NEVER DO ANOTHER ONE AGAIN.
I repeat: to do an abortion without informing the patient of the associated risks would be medical malpractice and would put PP in violation of the legal requirements that come with their government grants. This is easy to verify (even for you); it’s a matter of public record.
Skinhead Dan, have you seen the movie Romper Stomper?
Chris A., you wrote: “Basically [SoMG] … treats the unborn as property,”
Ummmmmmmmmm….I would say no, the unborn is not the patient’s property, but the capacity to provide life-support, the uterus itself, at least half the placenta, the oxygen etc. in her bloodstream, all these ARE her property.
The end result for the unwelcome unborn is the same.
SoMG, I have seen Romper Stomper. Quality film, but a bit… I don’t really know what to say. A good film about true skinheads would be This Is England. That’s got a good message, and actually shows where the nationalist/racist skins originated from. Very informative and very true to the original spirit of ’69.
What do you know about the skins, besides what you’ve probably read from my random posts here?
Elizabeth and Bobby,
The bastardization of what was once a proud movement for good, honest, hard-working people who lived their lives in the working class into a bunch of racist thugs is something that will haunt me until the day that I stop drawing breath. I can say, however, that the media is to blame for all of this. What’s going to draw more ratings and news: a bunch of bald-headed working class kids who like to drink beer, listen to ska, and protect their neighborhoods, or a bunch of racist thugs who like to kill what they’ve deemed “race-mixers” and anyone who isn’t Aryan? Obviously, the more violent and prejudiced latter.
If you want to join the fight without having to do the truly dirty work that some of us lesser beings still adhere to [i.e. our Neanderthal-ish way of just smashing that which we cannot tolerate in order to protect our way of life], I’d suggest protesting against the various street crews who’ve worked so hard to worm their way into the pretty pink panties of the media like a date-rapist who makes a mean roofie colada. In Schaumburg, we have the Chicago Aryan Brotherhood. In downtown Chicago, we have the Aryan Brotherhood of Chicago and the Chicago Boot Brigade. If you know of any gangs like this, report them to your local authorities, and go protest as many white power rallies as humanly possible. It’s every small part that counts, and while the PUNX and the SHARPs do what we can, it’s people like you that have credibility and sway within your communities that can help keep our streets safe for the next generation.
I don’t ask you to bleed like I have, or like my brothers and sisters [skins, not blood relations] have. I just ask that you do your part to help bring a certain sense of peace to the world. Martin Luther King, Jr. had a dream that was recognized by all as the dawning of a new era. Help bring about change now before it’s too late. Fight a battle worth fighting for.
Peace
Love
Unity
Skinhead Dan
Berger.
We must all strive to prevent as many unwanted pregnancies as possible, and to reduce poverty, and we must NEVER make contraceptives illegal.
Posted by: robert berger at June 19, 2008 9:20 AM
See those words of yours? “reduce poverty”?
See Jamer post, in reply to your linking poverty and abortion together in a sentence.
Silly berger, take out the two “and’s” in your sentence, and it reads; prevent pregnancies, reduce poverty, NEVER make “against(contra) life(conception)” illegal.
You really are a slow minded kinda guy against life aren’t you berger.
Your the one who is linking poverty to abortion, goof ball. Making poverty a factor in reasons for abortion. Now, Sanger was a poor, who became a racist mind puppet of rich people. Are you a poor berger? Striving to repeat the propaganda of a racist poor, named Sanger? Her ticket out of being a poor, was to marry a non-poor, who then used a poor, to be against life.
I know your a poverty minded person berger, and to illustrate what you wrote, so you may understand your logic more fully, let us state your sentence as this; How do we ALL strive to reduce poverty? To reduce poverty, we must ALL strive to prevent unwanted conception + NEVER make “against life” illegal. If you deny my illustration of your logic as true, then your unable to think logically, from being a poor striver. Of course this “wanted” quality, that humans must have, to be concieved, is totalitarian thinking of a person, who is lacking logic, and actually is appealing to emotion.
Come on propagandist Berger, being against life, being for the death of human beings,and being a mind puppet of that poor named Sanger, you gotta be a poor.
And to this ALL words that you use in your propaganda, that ALL must strive to reduce poverty by abortion, and be “against life”, I am not that ALL, you totalitarian mind.
In fact berger, if the poor concieve, and human beings have unwanted human beings, I welcome them into this world as being equal human beings of the wanted, and those born to non-poor human beings.
You divide human beings into your want and need to kill human beings, goof ball berger.
You know berger, like those slavemasters divided life into wanted and unwanted life.
Skinhead Dan, nothing at all. I didn’t mean to suggest that you were like the skinheads in Romper Stomper.
Yllas, You don’t know what you’re talking about. I am not”against” life. No pro-choice person is. Nor am I a “mind puppet” of Margaret Sanger, whom you anti-choice propagandists have totally misrepresented and lied about.
All I am saying is that making abortion illegal will never stop it. Pro-choice people don’t “want” abortions to happen, they just realize that they are going to happen whether they are legal or not, and that the only way to stop abortion is to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Robert,
Your entire argument is hanging off the idea that there will always be unwanted pregnancies and thus people will always try to abort. Have you researched the number of illegal abortions prior to Roe VS Wade or how abortion changed ever since abortion on demand? How can you support your entire argument on a handful of illegal abortions? The majority of people having abortions now are not so desperate that they would try abort if it were illegal. They do it because it is quick, convienient, and not so taboo anymore.
If an abortion clinic closes down for the day, statistics show that about 1/3 of the women never end up having an abortion. Why do you think that is??
I do agree with you about one thing: lets reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies… how about supporting abstinence?
I DO, Jamers!! Totally, absolutely support it and will teach it to my children.
Nice post, Jamers.
“Yllas, You don’t know what you’re talking about.”
LOL Understatement of the Month.
If an abortion clinic closes down for the day, statistics show that about 1/3 of the women never end up having an abortion. Why do you think that is??
Posted by: Jamers at June 20, 2008 9:28 AM
Very interesting statistic. Do you know where you found it?
If an abortion clinic closes down for the day, statistics show that about 1/3 of the women never end up having an abortion. Why do you think that is??
I would say this is not true.
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