(Prolifer)ations 6-09-09
by Kelli
Spotlighting important information gleaned from other pro-life blogs…
To see how overblown this issue has been, consider just the two years during which the most violence against abortion providers took place. Of the 8 total murders that have occurred at America’s abortion mills during the past 36 years, 5 were in 1993 and 1994 alone. But according to government statistics from the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, during those same 2 years there were 2,154 other people killed in work-related homicides in the US….
In other words, during the worst period of “pro-life violence” in American history, more farmers and twice as many hairdressers were murdered on the job than abortion clinic workers and abortionists combined. And remember, the 5 abortion clinic killings during 1993 and 1994 account for all but 3 of the killings that have happened in the history of the pro-life struggle…..
… [A]ny objective analysis of this issue shows that the level of violence committed by people opposed to abortion has been grotesquely exaggerated and that the pro-life movement is, by far, the most peaceful socio-political movement of its size and tenure in American history. To see the truth of that, all you have to do is study the other causes which are most similar: the anti-slavery, civil rights, and labor struggles. It is not opinion but provable fact that, in those movements, there have been many times during which more violence was committed in a single day than has taken place in the entire 36-year history of the pro-life movement.
In the documentary, “Oral Sex Is the New Goodnight Kiss,” girls as young as 11 years old talk about having sex, going to sex parties and – in some extreme situations – crossing into prostitution by exchanging sexual favors for money, clothes or even homework and then still arriving home in time for dinner with the family.
“Five minutes and I got $100,” one girl said. “If I’m going to sleep with them, anyway, because they’re good-looking, might as well get paid for it, right?”
Another girl talked about being offered $20 to take off her shirt or $100 to do a striptease on a table at a party.
The girls are almost always from good homes, but their parents are completely unaware, [Canadian filmmaker Sharlene] Azam said….
“I mean, we’re not looking for our future husbands,” one girl said. “We’re just looking for, maybe like … at our age, especially, I think all of us, both sexes, we have a lot of urges, I guess, that need to be taken care of. So if we resort to a casual thing, no strings attached, it’s perfectly fine.”
Azam said she thinks the “no strings attached” romances could be a defense mechanism against a greater disappointment.
“A lot of girls are disappointed in love,” she said. “And I think they believe they can hook up the way guys do and not care.
“But unfortunately, they do care.”
One of the videos featured on the site (which originally appeared on the old Teenwire site) is called “The Sexually Transmitted Infection Petting Zoo”, which includes a quiz that tests your knowledge of STIs/STDs and how they are spread….
Not only does PP recommend some things that no parent would ever want their teenager to do, but they admit that some of these forms of “sex play” still carry a risk of STDs — even though they just said it’s “wrong” to say “the ONLY way to protect yourself from sexually transmitted infections is not having any sex play at all.”
So despite the “fancy-pants” new look, PP — which calls itself “America’s leading sexual and reproductive health care advocate” — is still giving self-contradictory advice on how to prevent STDs….
PP is implying that teens inevitably will — and even should — continue having sex, but as long as they’re practicing“safe” sex“safer” sex and getting tested for STDs once a year, they will continue to be acting “responsibly”.
This is where Planned Parenthood is hopelessly wrong.
The truly responsible thing to do is to realize that sex speaks a language of permanent, committed, self-giving love — the type of love that can only exist within marriage — and that outside of marriage, sex can never bring lasting happiness.
…[T]hey want teens to see [sex outside of marriage] as normal — and, on the other hand, to see chastity as abnormal.
[Photo attribution: ABCnews.go.com/Getty Images]



I ran across something called It’s Perfectly Normal. Anyone else familiar with this book? Endorsed by Planned Parenthood, it shows full-on depictions of sex in all different ways, including multiples, and talks about how “It’s perfectly normal.” The book then goes on to address the subject of abortion, calling it “Perfectly normal”…
Yikes.
Here are some reviews of the book on Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/Its-Perfectly-Normal-Changing-Growing/product-reviews/1564021599/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar
And here’s Catholic Fire’s reaction:
http://catholicfire.blogspot.com/2007/11/all-planned-parenthoods-book-its.html
Planned Parenthood is full of mixed messages, no?
“Petting Zoo?”
I’m sure that everyone with HIV/AIDS is just thrilled…
About the girls making money off of suburban prostitution: that’s unbelievable. I mean, this happens all of the time- why is this becoming increasingly acceptable instead of increasingly worrisome? They’re eleven years old!
There’s something wrong with a society that says that children ought to express their needs; they’re children, not prostitutes.
:O
Vannah,
Where In The World Are The Parents???!!!
Where, indeed?
Of course, the parents have been led to believe they should view their children as burdens, so it’s hardly difficult to believe that hey aren’t paying close attention.
But still, you’d think that people would grow some brains at some point.
Oh my gosh!! How sick!
Preying on the young. I have a new name. Planning for Pedophiles!
“Vannah,
Where In The World Are The Parents???!!!”
Posted by: Carla at June 9, 2009 5:19 PM
Somewhere with their head in the sand.
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Curious why Cecile Richards, PPFA President, would promote such a promiscuous agenda towards our teens, I googled her name.
She has also worked at the Turner Foundation. (Ted Turner created the Turner Foundation in 1990 which focuses on Philanthropic grants in environment and population.)
In 1996, she founded the Texas Freedom Network, a Texas organization formed to counter the Christian Right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecile_Richards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Turner#Turner_Foundation
That would explain things.
The minimization of abortion violence coming so soon after a murder in a church of a doctor seems designed to deflect responsability more offering any constructive information. It seems like a subtle back-tracking on the work you had done trying to distance yourselves from clinic violence. Saying it doesn’t happen very often is a step away from saying the violence is okay.
YLT, it’s a new topic. New day. New topic.
I wonder if hairdressers qualify for special protection?
And if not, well that seems rather discriminatory to me.
YLT: it’s not minimization, but rather providing a dose of reality and intellectual honesty to the debate.
You know similar to countering the bizarre arguments proaborts have put forth on other aspects of abortion:
*millions of women dying in back street alleys at the hands of butchers
*unborn babies being mere blobs of tissue
yeah, that sort of thing….
YLT,
The point was that the media attention to this subject is overblown. Not that the murder was in any way justified. That’s been clearly stated. Tiller’s murder was not justified. Now quit trying to blame every pro-life organization for one crazy fanatical anti-government kook’s actions.
Lots of kooks kill people without this sort of repercussion.
“Saying it doesn’t happen very often is a step away from saying the violence is okay.”
Violence is never OK. Pro-lifers are not violent people. Perhaps you should try to meet one in person. I’m guessing you don’t know any.
This ABC story makes me ILL. Its disgusting. Why do girls have low self esteem? Why are they targeted with images that say they have to have sex? There are so many television programs aimed at teenagers that have implied sexual content its disgusting. One airs on a television station called “ABC FAMILY” which doesn’t live up to its 2nd name: FAMILY. CW: Gossip Girl and the new 90210 show.
And parents don’t seem to care anymore.
11 year olds? I have a niece who will be 10 in September….she has a friend who is about 2 years older than her……goes to public school….I sure hope this friend doesn’t become a bad influence on her……and I hope she doesn’t have that disgusting book.
Kids need to be kids and have fun….act their ages. They don’t need to be adults at 11 years old.
If we kick PP out of schools and remove their sex ed FROM EVERY SCHOOL and stop the publication and distribution of that book that borders on pornography……that would be a start.
Ahem……. Sex outside marriage is normal.
Posted by: Anonymous at June 9, 2009 6:08 PM
define normal whoever you are. And this time post with a name!
I have to ask that, too, Carla.
I have considerable anger at the moment to our stupid popular culture 1). for encouraging this in children, 2). saying that exploiting women, now girls, is the totally awesome thing to do, 3). allowing culture to be dictated by Planned Parenthood (what are they, Big Brother?), and 4). only permitting “Rhiannon” to hit number 11 in the charts. That was back in 1976 and I’m still upset.
Grrr…
Is there a moderator on today? Could we get rid of the spammer post from “Tina”?
“Ahem……. Sex outside marriage is normal.”
It certainly can cause problems though.
ok first off, I want HisMan to breathe deeply and be calm.. :)
We all KNEW that someone in the media would do this sooner rather than later but it’s finally happened:
Obama = God!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr4VZ8xCzOg
Angel,
Oy! I figured it’d be a joke or something. Ugh.
MaryRose: if it weren’t so gross it would be funny.
:(
Angel,
But then, isn’t that the truth about so many things?
Most people have sex before marriage. It’s just a fact. Not good or bad. It just is. If you’re going to prevent STIs then you have to deal with the world as it is, not as you would like it to be.
(http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-12-19-premarital-sex_x.htm)
Expecting kids to have sex is always useful, no?
It couldn’t possibly impact the younger and younger ages of non-abstinent children.
maybe given the health costs and the negative emotional and societal effects on men and women, we should start TELLING people to wait until marriage.
-Instead of telling them they can have sex anytime without counting the cost and then telling them preventative measures to protect themselves just in case.
If we approached workplace safety this way, I wonder how many millions of workers would be dead each year?
can someone remove the trash from “TINA” please?
I am so glad there’s a new episode of the “18 Kids and Counting” show on tonight. Its better television than most of the trash that’s on. Tonight two of the girls get their wisdom teeth pulled………ouch!
Buh bye, Tina.
Mods are not on all the time. Please email one or all if something comes up. :)
Vannah,
Agreed about Rhiannon!! LOL
Yeah!
Whenever anything comes up that’s bad I mention that “Rhiannon” wasn’t a number one hit so things definitely get worse I get The Look.
Do you like foreign music? You should try Sigur Ros- Iceland! They have nothing to do with Fleetwood Mac or Stevie “Greatest Artist Ever” Nicks but I’m trying every excuse that I can to get everyone to love Iceland as much as I love it.
Oh, and did you know that in Iceland you can go puffin watching? In case you’re planning out a summer vacation. ;)
Oh, Lord, I’m so grateful I was in high school in the slightly post Leave-it-to-Beaver days of the late 60s and early 70s. I also went to an all-girls Catholic school (even though I was not Catholic) and there was one message when it came to sex: “don’t do anything!”
What was so wrong with that? It was the best advice anyone could have given us. Out of several hundred girls, in three years, one got pregnant.
Of course we weren’t all saintly, but we were given limits. Imagine that, giving teenagers limits? It gave us a framework and structure. It gave us some common sense and meaning in our immature lives.
Unfortunately, this was also the time in which the womens’ liberation movement started (what a bunch of crock that was) and sex started becoming so pervasive in our culture. Any wonder abortion followed in 1973? It’s all a sad chain of events.
I feel sorry for teenagers today. Many of them are being raised by parents who had a pretty much anything-goes approach to sex education, and it seems to be getting worse and worse.
Luana: I think many parents simply are not involved enough with their children and many don’t see the danger in being sexually promiscuous, especially if they escaped the “consequences” to some extent.
But most people I know who were sexually active prior to marriage have had some negative consequences.
Um. Whatever happened to soccer, t-ball, piano lessons, chores and READING for fun??!! Wow. OH and adult supervision would be good too!! :)
Iceland the music and for vacation? Got it. :)
Carla, I had the weardest dream last night. I dreamed that the United States was attacked by North Koria, and everybody on this blog, were inlisted to fight the terrorests. RJ
RJ,
Time to lay off the late night news? LOL
The problem is the music the kids are listening to today. My six year old niece was singing, “They see me rolen, they haten, patrolen and trying to cath me riden dirty.” I told her that song was not good because it talked about doing drugs, and drugs are wrong. So she stopped singing it. RJ
That’s okay RJ, I dreampt that Dr. Bernard Nathanson was talking to me at the foot of my bed a few nights ago. LOL! My brain is on abortion overload!
*oops should say dreamt.
Thanks Carla! It was the late night news, plus Jack Vanimp RJ
Almost everywhere you look what do you see? reality TV. What is your faverate show?
My fave show? The Office
I really injoyed the race at Pokino last week, Carol Edwards didn’t winn thogh! RJ
RJ,
Weird! I had a dream about North Korea last night, too!
But it was totally random and bizarre, so yeah.
Maryrose, tell me what your’s about. RJ
I think a lot of people here would like the good “Girls Gone Mild” by Wendy Shalit. I think the paperback version was renamed “The Good Girl Revolution.”
Mary Rose 9:40PM
Were the North Koreans giving Obama the finger by any chance?
I can’t believe they aren’t intimidated by a president who goes on backside kissing tours.
RJ,
My dream was that my family went for a visit to NK and got imprisoned in a fireplace. We learned of nuclear launch on American soil but couldn’t do anything about it. And my son kept telling my husband something about his favorite soda…
I can’t really remember all that well because it was really bungled. And my (almost 10 month old) son was speaking in full sentences, so that was odd.
Mary, LOL
Marauder,
I read an earlier book by Wendy Shalit. Good arguments for abstinence/chastity. Maybe we should forward some to Planned Parenthood.
What a shame that those two American reporters were sentenced to labor camps in N. Korea for reporting on human-trafficking. I just wish a few reporters would report on the abortion epidemic right here in the good ‘ole U.S. of A.
Marauder,
I’ll look into it.
Janet,
There are a few, but mostly they can’t get their work on your highly syndicated news like MSNBC. But there’s a woman, Theresa Tomeo, she used to be a big prochoice liberal news anchor, I think maybe for MSNBC, and now does her reporting on Catholic radio- http://www.avemariaradio.net – anyway, she is fantastic!
MaryRose,
Thanks for the heads-up. I’ll look her up.
Angel:
Don’t worry about me.
I know Obama is not god.
The problem is many Liberals don’t know this.
I feel badly for girls who have to seek their self-worth and validation in boys and men who just want sex from them. I feel badly for them if they can actually do this because their parents don’t know how to care for them to keep them from this fate, or don’t care enough to at least attempt it. I feel badly for them that there is nobody out there to keep them from this so that maybe they can use their time and energy to improve themselves in ways beyond the physical that will give them a real sense of fulfillment that will stick with them their entire lives, instead of a false rush that will just leave them empty and used up at such a young and tender age. It’s times like these I almost feel greatful for having had very strict parents and little to no social life when I was younger. I’m glad I lived in the middle of nowhere my most important formative years and had the chance to seek out for myself what really matters and makes me worth respecting myself enough not to lower myself to be nothing more than a plaything for an uncaring man. Granted, once I actually got out in the world I kind of forgot this lesson for a moment, but it didn’t take me long to remember.
My mother’s youngest sister is like this. I don’t know what makes a girl or woman like this, but she was pregnant at around 14 or 15, and uses men to temporarily feel good about herself. She’s bitter, a bad influence on my cousins, and has had something like 6 or 8 kids with 2 different men, her first husband is currently raising the lion’s share alone after she left him to go be with some other man who was nothing but a user and abuser, and ended up having twins with him (who she said herself would’ve been aborted had they not been twins. I don’t know what difference it made that it was 2 babies instead of one, but it seemed to have some sort of significance to her). When they eventually split up, she was surprised to find that unlike the good man I call my uncle who is caring for my aunt’s children when she left them, this new man had no interest whatsoever in raising the twins, so now she lives with my grandparents who are very old, but help her raise her kids (doing a lot of the work from what I saw, while she zips out of the house alone every chance she gets rather than stay home and raise her kids) and gripes about how she can’t go out anymore and party. It bothers me that someone that much older than myself is so immature and irresponsible.
And she still doesn’t get it. She took one of my cousins to go get an abortion when she came up pregnant at 14 or 15 without her father’s knowledge. She still doesn’t understand that it isn’t/wasn’t a baby that ruined her life, but she herself who did it through her actions, and lives vicariously through young people around her.
Ugh. How depressing empty people are.
Mark Crutcher is comparing apples to oranges. There may indeed have been more work related homicides in fields such as farming and hairdressing. But I doubt those were acts targeted at farmers and hairdressers unknown to the killers. I doubt those were acts targeted at farmers and hairdressers for the purpose of getting them to stop engaging in farming and hairdressing and to terrorize other farmers and hairdressers from doing their work. I doubt that farms and hair salons routinely have to cope with threats, vandalism, and harassment of their customers.
(Not to mention that Mr. Crutcher has made no effort to compare the number of “work-related” homicides in the field at issue to the number of worker in that field. I suspect there are far fewer abortion providers in America than there are hairdressers and farmers.)
Xalisae says:
“I feel badly for girls who have to seek their self-worth and validation in boys and men who just want sex from them. . . . My mother’s youngest sister is like this. I don’t know what makes a girl or woman like this, but she was pregnant at around 14 or 15, and uses men to temporarily feel good about herself.”
Some girls and women are like this because our culture sends many signals that girls and women are most valuable for how we look and how sexually appealing we are, and that male approval is really important. If you are told repeatedly that your sexuality is the most important thing about you, then it makes sense to seek validation with sexuality. You have probably heard the statistic that girls who play sports are less likely to get pregnant in their teens. This is because girls involved in sports have another source of validation.
Of course, it is worth noting that many girls have sex because having sex is fun. But having sources of self-esteem outside of sex empowers girls to say no to sex they don’t want, and to insist when they do have sex on steps to prevent STDs and unwanted pregnancy.
PC 5:37am
Deranged killers have their own “reasons” and I fail to see what difference that makes, the victims are no less dead and they are no less “stopped”.
Also, there are considerably more dangerous professions than being an abortionist that people are lining up to get into, such as police officers, prison guards, and fire fighters.
Four officers were recently gunned down by the same dirtbag in the line of duty in California. Yes they were killed because of what they did for a living.
I think the problem is a complex one. Not all girls are susceptible to the messages our culture sends them about sexuality and about the necessity of being a couple or having a man.
What makes a girl less susceptible?
**parental involvement in all aspects of life
**religious practice
**alternative activities to having sex
**encouragement to save sex for marriage
Mary,
Police officers deliberately go into dangerous situations for which they are trained. Police officers are not subject to violence designed to end police work. Certainly, there work is risky but police officers do not generally have to worry about being stalked and shot in church, or on their way into the station. They also don’t generally have to worry about their support staff (secretaries and dispatchers) being killed.
PC 6:50am
The point is police officers are shot because they are who they are and making the living they are. Aren’t you thankful you can call on these men and women in time of need?
Their support staff doesn’t have to worry? Apparently you are unaware that Obama’s friends Ayers and Dohrn were involved in bombing police stations, which would include support staff.
What about the students and staff of high schools who have been gunned down? Postal workers, office workers, factory workers?
BTW two more police officers in Milwaukee were shot and wounded in the line of duty.
Outrage anyone?
Angel,
I agree. I had none of those things growing up.
My children have all four!! :)
**parental involvement in all aspects of life
**religious practice
**alternative activities to having sex
**encouragement to save sex for marriage
Posted by: angel at June 10, 2009 6:35 AM
I somewhat disagree, angel. My mom’s parents are strongly Catholic, and her and all of her 8 brothers and sisters are as well, including my aunt who still for some reason considers herself to be Catholic but from my last talk with her I think is reconsidering her faith. Most of the girls I went to high school with were on their backs every Saturday night, but in the front pew Sunday morning. In my graduating class of around 34 students, 4 or 5 were already mothers or pregnant by graduation, and of course even more were having sex. My parents got me a promise ring, with all that religious paperwork that came with it, the little pledge to sign, etc. However, that held no significance to me whatsoever, and I told my mother so. I said that a ring and a prayer weren’t going to keep me from anything, because by that time I was no longer religious myself. And I told her that if I did hold off on things like that, it would be by my choice, and because I had enough respect for myself not to endanger my goals in life for sex, but if I ever thought it was apropriate, it was still probably going to happen, married or not.
So #1, yes, #2 no, #3 BIG YES, with an emphasis on establishing life goals and self-worth outside other peoples’ opinions of yourself, #4 no.
Some girls and women are like this because our culture sends many signals that girls and women are most valuable for how we look and how sexually appealing we are, and that male approval is really important. If you are told repeatedly that your sexuality is the most important thing about you, then it makes sense to seek validation with sexuality. You have probably heard the statistic that girls who play sports are less likely to get pregnant in their teens. This is because girls involved in sports have another source of validation.
I guess I just feel sorry for anyone who just believes whatever they are told without thinking, to the point they build their lives around other peoples’ thoughts and opinions of them.
I mean, what happened to the kinds of women who gave us the women’s rights movement to begin with? Society have a vastly different opinion of what they should’ve been doing with their lives, and what was considered acceptable and unacceptable behavior on their part, and they surely did not let that deter them. Do we have no independent thinkers anymore? Where are our leaders for the next generations? Are we all just going to be expected to settle for those already in circles of power, or people those circles choose to present us with who are groomed specifically for their purposes?
Society *had
Agreed, Xalisae (is that a screen name or initials?- it’s really cool). The expectations of the modern world are really so wrong. Really.
Hi xalisae,
You sound great, BUT there is this huge problem: with the word ‘significance’. Most folks (like you) seem to think it as some personal mode of accepting/rejecting opinion. This word actually governs ALL human activity …
For instance, why did you bother to write anything at all if you thought it was without significance … why communicate at all? … why talk? … why read?
… why cry? why get fed up? … why even think (consider anything), if it is without significance – why bother?
Because, to some degree, everything has significance. People can choose to grant things, people, ideas, etc. significance, regardless of what those things are. All I present is my opinion as it relates to me, and people are welcome to choose to grant the things I say significance or not. That’s the beauty of a free society like America. Anything can be said, and anything can be given significance, whether or not it is or isn’t particularly deserving. If people do listen to what I have to say and find it significant, that’s great, if not, that in its own way is equally as great. It is when people give things significance that shouldn’t be given any because it will hurt them or others that I find it objectionable. But, you’re right, to a certain degree, nothing really matters when all is said and done in the grand scheme of things. That’s why I choose to speak, act, think, on the things that matter to me personally, because in life, one creates their own significance.
And Vannah, I am a gigantic nerd, so one day I was looking up names for fun on a Drow name generator, found this one, started using it everywhere, and it’s just stuck with me through the years. :P
I said that a ring and a prayer weren’t going to keep me from anything, because by that time I was no longer religious myself.
by your own admission xalisae, you lost your faith. So therefore you have actually helped substantiate my claim of #2.
Girls who are involved with their faith and sincerely practicing it will likely NOT become sexually promiscuous.
I’ve seen evidence with myself, my family and those around me who have teens and young adults who are sincere, practicing Catholics. Not one, NOT ONE has had sex before marriage. All are chaste Catholics active in their church. The operative word here is “sincere”.
I believe that the faith component is the single most important factor along with parental influence.
A person’s faith gives them a reason for refusing sexual activity prior to marriage. There is a moral/theological component to this reason which they see a significant and relevant to their lives. Remaining chaste seems reasonable and is “freeing” contrary to the secular media’s portrayal of religious sanctions against premarital sex as restrictive, prudish.
hi xalisae,
… hqve to smile a bit at your moniker because it seems very much like the Latin ‘in exelsis’ …. which in English means ‘heavenly …….’
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as I suspected, your concept of the word ‘significance’ is closer to the concept ‘resonate(verb) // resonance(noun)’. A thing/being can have all kinds of significance and I be totally unaware of it. Then it becomes a ‘learning process’ rather than a ‘decided view’.
Such is observed quite often on this board. It can easily be observed by waving a bill in front of a dog. The ‘significance’ will be lost whether it is a $5 bill or a $1000 bill. This ‘significance – value’ is in the being itself (innate) and is not awarded from any other.
I actually agree with you on that point, John. I’ve never been able to be a complete moral relativist, I think that there IS innately good and innately bad, they exist, and many people simply ignore that and do what they please. These people also seem to be in a HUGE amount of denial as to the nature of their actions, and it really does show with the crazy dance of justification they do after the fact. I just happen to think there actually exists at least a little gray between the black and white, and as long as you’re not hurting yourself or anyone else, you should be ok, for the most part. Trying to talk to someone that things right and wrong/good and bad is totally subjective makes my head hurt, and I try to avoid it whenever possible, as I would try to avoid anyone utterly lacking any sort of moral compass, because you never know what someone like that might be able to rationalize to themselves, and who knows what they could do to you?
*that thinks
by your own admission xalisae, you lost your faith. So therefore you have actually helped substantiate my claim of #2.
Girls who are involved with their faith and sincerely practicing it will likely NOT become sexually promiscuous.
Well, I think we have different definitions of “sexually promiscuous” then, and I don’t think I fit or have ever really fit that criteria, but if you want to disagree, ok. My stance on the point anyway was rather soft, and I do think you have a point.
If some people need to use religion as a reason, then you’re right by default, as that is a clear instance of religion preventing such behavior. However, just as with your family being an example of how religion DOES prevent that kind of behavior consistently, I provided two instances in which it did not(my aunt and myself), and you cannot negate it simply by saying, “Yes…but…I meant REAL christians.” You can’t set your own rules for the debate after the fact, and alter them to fit your premise later.
I’ve seen evidence with myself, my family and those around me who have teens and young adults who are sincere, practicing Catholics. Not one, NOT ONE has had sex before marriage. All are chaste Catholics active in their church. The operative word here is “sincere”.
I believe that the faith component is the single most important factor along with parental influence.
A person’s faith gives them a reason for refusing sexual activity prior to marriage. There is a moral/theological component to this reason which they see a significant and relevant to their lives. Remaining chaste seems reasonable and is “freeing” contrary to the secular media’s portrayal of religious sanctions against premarital sex as restrictive, prudish.
Yes, and some people don’t use religion as a reason, but rather the fact that sex has the capacity to impede them, or diminish them in some way. That doesn’t make reasons outside of religious reasons for not having sex any less valid, and it doesn’t negate my argument. My aunt was active in her church, but still turned out as she did. I hadn’t been active in any sort of church for a long time when I started pondering issues of a sexual nature, and that didn’t change the fact that I decided sex outside a solid relationship would hinder me and was dangerous and foolish. You believe it’s the faith part, I believe it’s the parental involvement part. I think your argument is valid, but I think mine is too. However, I think we can both agree that the lackadaisical attitude MOST people and particularly extremely young people these days have regarding sex is dangerous and wrong.
I think divorce can also play a part…watching mom/dad bring home a new partner every weekend in the quest to find a new relationship/just have a frivolous sexual encounter…I can see how that might give a developing young person the wrong idea. So I’d say not only parental involvement, but also a stable family is a factor. As the divorce rate increases, this problem is only going to get worse. People need to think less about what is in their pants and more about their children. We’ll file that under #5.
I think religion isn’t a “reason” it is a perspective on how one lives their life and how one views certain behaviours. Either a behaviour is morally right or wrong. A religious person is more likely to view premarital sex as being wrong. Why? Because they will view sexual intercourse as something profound and sacred and therefore something that is to be done with a very special person – a husband or wife.
Since many people are at best only nominally Christian today, it is no surprise that many see sex as mere recreation and hence no reason to wait for marriage.
As for the stable family part my intention is that this factor is part of #1 since parental involvement is harder in a single parent family.
Just as there are exceptions to these rules (religious people are MORE LIKELY, but not guaranteed to view sex in that way, non-religious people might have a very high regard for the importance of sex and also seeing it as something to be cherished and not taken lightly, etc), so also is there an exception to the single-parent comment…
But it’s not just parental INVOLVEMENT I think should be stressed, but the examples that parents set forth for their children through their own actions. Even married couples have affairs and things like that that show a lack of regard for the responsibility inherent in the act of sex.