Obama lays down gauntlet: Opposes Stupak Amendment
Well, that didn’t take long.
It was only yesterday that pro-abort groups like Planned Parenthood and EMILY’s List began pushing Barack Obama to dump the Stupak/Pitts Amendment from the socialized healthcare bill.
Tonight during an interview with ABC’s Jake Tapper , Obama responded:
President Obama said today that Congress needs to change abortion-related language in the health care bill passed by the House of Representatives this weekend.
“I laid out a very simple principle, which is this is a health care bill, not an abortion bill,” Obama said. “And we’re not looking to change what is the principle that has been in place for a very long time, which is federal dollars are not used to subsidize abortions.”…
Saying the bill cannot change the status quo regarding the ban on federally funded abortions, the president said, “There are strong feelings on both sides” about an amendment passed Saturday and added to the legislation, “and what that tells me is that there needs to be some more work before we get to the point where we’re not changing the status quo.”…
And then in a display showing he either 1) thinks we’re idiots; 2) thinks he’s god; or 3) is wildly delusional, Obama continued:
Obama told… Tapper that he was confident that the final legislation will ensure that “neither side feels that it’s being betrayed.”
“I want to make sure that the provision that emerges meets that test – that we are not in some way sneaking in funding for abortions, but, on the other hand, that we’re not restricting women’s insurance choices,” he said.
National Right to Life’s Doug Johnson responded:
The only thing that will prevent the health care bill from being “an abortion bill” is precisely the Stupak-Pitts Amendment, as the House recognized by a 46-vote margin. The phoniness of Obama’s claim that he has been trying to preserve the “status quo” on abortion policy should be evident to any observer by now.
In reality, the White House and top Democratic congressional leaders have been working hard to create a national federal government health plan that would fund abortion on demand, just as Obama promised Planned Parenthood.
According to Politifact.com on November 7, the claim that Stupak/Pitts “changes the status quo” is FALSE.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Oh gag me,
What a performance. First he allows the language to be put in the bill to get it passed (I have some ocean front property in Montana to sell anyone who thinks Obama neither knew or approved a vote on the Stupak Amendment) and now he’s the knight on a charging stallion, coming to the rescue of his PA supporters.
This man’s duplicity is mind-boggling.
President Obama, if this is a HEALTH CARE BILL and not an ABORTION BILL then what does it matter if the Stupak amendment stays? Why are you willing to jeopardize the entire health care bill over a silly little amendment that has no function anyhow? OR do you know that this health care bill really WOULD use federal funds to pay for abortions and this Stupak amendment really throws a wrench in your plans, huh?It just sucks when those pesky tax payers aren’t as stupid as you’d like, doesn’t it Barack?
This we know of Obama. He will sign ANY health reform that reaches his desk. He’s committed to passing something, anything, because his administration has been a loser ten months in, and he’ll throw anyone under the bus to do it, even Planned Parenthood.
Some interesting scenarios we can look for:
Suppose the Senate rejects an abortion amendment. That’s taking a grave risk to this bill’s livelihood and it can all come
Suppose the Senate has to accept an amendment to get the bill through. Do we really expect Obama to VETO it? He won’t.
He has a reputation to maintain.
Dream on Doug Johnson. That amendment can and will be removed and every effort will be made to do just that. It was a ploy and PL people fell for it. Congresspeople fell for it. The PA people and organizations fell for it.
Crawl out from under the bus NARAL, PP, and NOW.
Like I said this bill is NOT about healthcare, or insuring the poor or the uninsured it is about CONTROL, POWER, CONTROLLING 1/6TH OF THE US ECONOMY, SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, TRANSFORMING AMERICA, LIFE AND DEATH DECISIONS OVER AMERICAN CITIZENS AND ABORTION ON DEMAND.
CC,
He threw them under the bus but now will ride to their rescue. If anyone can rot as far as Obama is concerned its Blue Dogs who voted for this bill. Don’t be so certain that Amendment will hold. A vote was allowed on this amendment to get the bill passed then on to the Senate where who knows what will happen.
Sorry folks, we went up against a master sociopath and could very well lose.
PLL 10:08PM
EXACTLY! The American people disregard this fact at their own peril. This is a power grab, period. Obama will whistle whatever tune anyone wants to hear to get it. He will use whoever he needs and toss under the bus those he no longer needs.
His above mentioned duplicity is but one example.
Hi Mary. How are you? The lies and deception are unfolding of the pro-death crowd and the President. We have so much to pray about and I am trying to stay encouraged but it is hard. “Let us not get weary in well doing, for after while we will reap a shower of blessing”. God help our nation.
But Obama wants to *reduce* the number of abortions in our country. He promised the Pope, did he not?
Hi Jeff Schmitz,
Obama wants this power and will promise the Pope, throw supporters under the bus, destroy congressional careers, play whoever he must for chumps, and anything else he has to do to get it.
Like I said this bill is NOT about healthcare, or insuring the poor or the uninsured it is about CONTROL, POWER, CONTROLLING 1/6TH OF THE US ECONOMY, SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, TRANSFORMING AMERICA, LIFE AND DEATH DECISIONS OVER AMERICAN CITIZENS AND ABORTION ON DEMAND.
Posted by: Prolifer L at November 9, 2009 10:08 PM
Agree with you 100%.
Hi PLL,
I’m fine thank you. I must admit I had a gnawing feeling about the passage of this Amendment and this above article only reinforces it.
Princess Nancy was just a little too agreeable about allowing a vote. Princess Nancy dances on the end of Obama’s string. She looked a little too smug.
I must admit watching these PA organizations and supporters go ballistic was great fun. I enjoyed the sense of betrayal they felt. Hey, maybe this really is a victory for me.
Still, it all seemed a little too neat and packaged. I wanted to be positive about it and believe this was a great victory for us.
What this has taught me PLL is to trust my first instincts. Also to heed my own advise about dealing with a sociopath and that is never forget for a minute that person is a sociopath.
Yes Jeff, Joanne and Mary we have got it right. There is a game being played here with the lives (literlly and physically) of Americans. The radical left of which BHO is a card-carrying member is out to destroy this nation with it’s “Change you can believe in”, William Ayers, Saul Alinsky, George Soros, Rahm “Dead Fish” Emanuel, Rev. “G– D– America, Black Liberation Theology” Wright “The Chicago Way” and Democratic machine idealogy all wrapped into one package.
We are dealing with a person who is controlled by the “ruler of the air”.
And we believers know who this is.
Stop expecting Obama to be honest and a man of his word. He is not.
Politifact omitted something important in their “analysis”. They don’t mention that employer-based coverage is subject to a grace period after which it has to meet the same requirements as qualified plans (page 92).
Abortion coverage in employer-based plans becomes an issue at the point those plans have to transition to mirror coverage in exchange-based qualified plans. If the feds mandate abortion coverage in exchange-based plans, employer-based plans would have to follow suit after the grace period. This muddies the waters on use of federal tax credits or other incentives to small business to provide employer-based coverage, doesn’t it? And it would force faith-based employers such as Catholic hospitals or universities to offer abortion coverage in their employee insurance plans after the grace period.
If I’m wrong on this, someone please give me a specific page number of the bill.
Barry is a fraud…. an empty suit… and the most inocmpetent President ever. Even Jimmy Carter was not this bad…. and not this radical either.
And shame on him for not going to the celebrations of the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall. Barry…. a man who can’t get enough of himself…. who wants to be on TV 24/7…. but cant be bothered to mark this anniversary.
Fraud.
Not that I’d place complete trust in his word, but Senator Kent Conrad insisted that the language of the Stupak amendment must remain if there’s any chance of a bill passing the senate.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/67033-conrad-health-bill-cant-pass-senate-without-abortion-language
Oh and where is Congressman Joe Wilson when we need him?
Earth to Barry…… YOU LIE!
Obama said that he wanted to find common ground- he just wants the bill to pass and he hasn’t thrown his support behind the funding yet.
I’m not mad at him. I know that a lot of people here oppose this bill, and I can respect that because it’s on grounds of basic things like economics. But I cannot stop seeing red when I hear senators threatening to torpedo the thing because it won’t fund abortion.
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Dear Pro-Choice Senators:
Yes- you are so hellbent on making certain that We the People does not include fetuses that you will crush us all, that you would rather see us all uninsured than see that one group of people who you openly hate insured alongside the rest of us as they ought to be. You are so determined that the bill ought to say what you want it to say(Everyone But *Them* Is Covered), as opposed to what it says in the Stupak Amendment (Everyone Is Covered, Including *Them*), and you’re so full of hatred for *them* that when someone begrudgingly lets *them* into the cherished circle of Personhood, you would prefer to sink a woman’s choice to prenatal care or bith control over seeing *them* have just a few rights. You call to mind the sorts who blow up commercial airliners just to kill one person.
You are despicable.
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I don’t think that I’ve ever been more upset with a news article in my entire life. :~(
This is beautiful. Obama forced to show how radically he supports abortion choice. This alone is worth the effort to get Stupak-Pitts in there.
Game on.
Excuse me for going off topic for a moment, but if you are on Twitter you may want to follow Sarah Palin. Within hours of annoucing her new Twitter page she has over 9000 followers.
SarahPalinUSA is her user name there.
How can they strip out/change the bill in commitee without another vote. I don’t understand.
Eric 11:29PM
Please, this was a ploy to get this bill passed. The very best we can hope for, if even that, is that Stupak might, might, throw a monkey wrench in the legislation.
How can they strip out/change the bill in commitee without another vote. I don’t understand.
Posted by: Jasper at November 10, 2009 1:08 AM
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Jasper – the bill’s language has to be identical between the House and Senate. Usually this is done in a conference committee between the two sides. The game that is played is Pelosi allowed the amendment in the House knowing that with the bill passage the amendment would be removed by her confederates in committee, who will throw up their hands (like Rangel) and say “I can’t guarantee anything will remain in this bill…”.
The consolidated bill is then presented to both sides for final vote, and our only hope is that those Democrats who voted for the Stupak Amendment draw the line and say – “No” on the final without caving in. If that happened, then you would have a victory, but the whole thing could get played over again. And most likely will, until the majority of American voters completely overwhelm members of Congress and put the fear of God into them. (Meaning their own districts will re-soundlingly vote them out.)
While representatives are supposed to be upstanding and honest, the reality is our forefathers had enough sense to realize corruption (like a bad disease) can make it’s way into any individual and collective group.
All the pro-life effort in the world will not change things until voters kick those who kill out of office, or the entire population wakes up and screams bloody murder against Planned Parenthood and their whole consortium.
There was a big majority that passed the Stupak amendment in the House. Why is it that Obama and the minority in the House cant recognize that the country is ruled by the majority?
The administration keeps fighting the label of Socialism but that is exactly what they are if they deny the will of the people and this amendment.
Joanne 11:16PM
Its more likely Obama would want to celebrate the anniversary of the building of the Berlin Wall. I actually remember when it went up.
Hi Chris 6:02am
Thank you for the explanation.
Its so easy to see how Obama can first throw his supporters under the bus, then present himself as their knight in shining armor, come to save them.
The ploy was brilliant and we can only hope to defeat Obama at his own game.
Posted by: Mary at November 9, 2009 9:50 PM
….”now he’s [B.O.] the knight on a charging stallion, coming to the rescue of his PA supporters.”
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Mary,
You have the scenario correct, but the wrong class of rider and the wrong breed of equine.
The knave will be meandering to the scene of the crime on his black donkey/ass and arriving just in time to avoid any responsibilty for damages and casualties and falsely claim any imagined credit.
B.O. is NOT a Kimberly Munley. He is an indecisive and self serving coward hiding behind the skirts of the Dead Babies R Us crowd.
Remember this is the knave who obstructed the rescue of the kidnapped ships captain 3 days and has waited 9 months to make a decision on troop deployments in Afghanistan. The same knave who flew across the Ocean to lobby for the Olympics for Chicago, but who could not find time in his busy schedule to travel to Berlin to commemorate the collapse of communist Soviet Union and the tearing down of the Berlin Wall.
If B.O. had meandered to the rescue at Fort Hood Hassan would have run out of ammo killing innocent people and gone to the local Walmart to buy more before B.O. risked his pathetic ass to save anyone but himself.
Other than that, you got it spot on right as usual.
yor bro ken
The fact that B.O. is deceived and blind is no excuse.
His hatred for and promotion of violence and genocide against the preborn is pure evil.
His Judgment Day is coming.
Anyone read any news reports of B.O. calling officer Kimberly Munley on the phone to thank her for her rapid and effective response to the incident of domestic terrorism at Fort Hood?
Any news of Officer Kimberly Munley being invited to the White House for a sit down with B.O.?
Any news of plans to honor Kimberly Munley by the democRAT controlled congress?
I expect we will here soon that the United States Justice Department and the ACLU are considering taking some sort of legal action against Officer Munley because her motives were/are suspect and she may have violated Hassan’s civil rights.
yor bro ken
S A R C A S M A L E R T
There are no Jew Hating Muslim terrorists in America.
Only angry white christians bitterly clinging to their god and their guns and their archaic morality.
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Talking points from the White House office of mis-communication.
yor bro ken
Obama told… Tapper that he was confident that the final legislation will ensure that “neither side feels that it’s being betrayed.”
And HOW does he intend to do this? Our views are irreconcilable. They want tax-funded abortion: we don’t want ANY abortion.
I agree with Eric S. Obama is showing his TRUE colour: he’s vehemently proabort.
The fact that B.O. is deceived and blind is no excuse.
His hatred for and promotion of violence and genocide against the preborn is pure evil.
His Judgment Day is coming.
Posted by: Ed at November 10, 2009 7:45 AM
I don’t think Obama is either deceived or blind.
I think he’s made a rational choice in what he believes.
He believes abortion = women’s liberation. It’s politically correct to support this view and politically expedient as his election to the WH has proven. Eventually he will cave on gay marriage too.
He doesn’t really believe that ALL his actions will be fully accountable to God. He’s consumed with attaining and retaining power in this life.
Hey Angel,
I think we’re in agreement. He has made rational choices as to what he believes. The problem is what he has chosen to believe are all lies, hence the deception.
As you said:
Abortion = women’s liberation, lie.
He doesn’t believe he is accountable to God, lie.
I see what you mean, he’s not deceived as someone who is tricked into doing someing he wouldn’t normally do. He knows full well what he’s doing.
What I meant was that on his Judgment Day, he will know the truth. The fetuses that he advocated killing are people. And that his quest for power was all vanity.
The Lord Said He Would .”VOMIT” out Fence Sitters. Mr. Obama Is On The Top of The Middle of The Fence,He Needs Prayers! He’s in Big trouble!
Just like the PP clinic director who was deceived about what abortion really was. She believed a pack of lies until she saw the truth on the ultrasound.
Mary,
I read your posts and absolutely agree. I never felt comfortable that this amendment was anything more than a ploy to get the bill passed now with the full intent to take it out later. These dirty politicians will do anything to win their cause. That’s why I believe that NARAL and their ilk probably didn’t fight too hard against it.
They are all in bed together and were more than likely promised that this amendment meant nothing more than to get the bill passed with the ultimate goal of providing tax payer funded abortions which will be added to the bill at some point in the process.
Why did Pelosi allow it? She seemed way too on board.
This whole BO BS is ridiculous.
Hello Jill: Keep up the great work. May all of your efforts be blessed. Count Us Out
Here’s a little more for you:
“What makes this interesting is that Mr. Stupak is no Blue Dog. Though some Blue Dogs joined him, the Stupak amendment in fact offers a striking contrast between the success of pro-life Democrats and the persistent failure of Blue Dogs. The pro-lifers came together, held their line, and got their way; the Blue Dogs never seem able to coalesce, and generally have been picked off individually.
Not that the press ever noticed. Up until almost literally the 11th hour, Mr. Stupak’s push for a vote was treated as a sideshow. Nor was President Barack Obama ever called to answer for his flatly contradictory public statements on the place of abortion (the preferred term is “reproductive health care”) in any health-care reform.
Mr. Stupak has just changed all that. On Sunday, the president of Planned Parenthood, Cecile Richards, sent out an action alert asking supporters to tell Mr. Obama to “make good” on his “promise to put reproductive health care at the center of [his] health care reform plan.” She should know: She was standing next to Candidate Obama in 2007 when he declared that “reproductive care is essential care, it is basic care, so it is at the center and at the heart of the plan that I propose.”
Unfortunately for Ms. Richards, during his recent appearance before a joint session of Congress, Mr. Obama promised something different: “no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.”
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/the-man-who-made-pelosi-cry-uncle/
I am not ready to say the PL’ers were played. The party line for Democrats these days is unadulterated socialism, pure and simple. Even though some have pro-life sentiments, the overall thrust of their caucus is to ramrod through as much socialistic legislation as possible.
Had it not been for Stupak-Pitts protecting our tax dollars from being used for abortion all bets are off as to what the outcome of the final tally might have been. There is no guarantee that the coalition would have held together without this rallying point. Absent Stupak-Pitts the pressure exerted by House leadership may have succeeded in convincing wavering members that the Capps amendment was sufficient in and of itself to satisfy their demands. Then where would we have been? In light of all of this it was simply too big of a gamble to have this bill go to vote without Stupak-Pitts in hand.
So for the conspiratorialists out there–was Capps a part of the mix?
Second, the presumption that somehow this will be stripped in conference and then passed and signed into law does not take into account two very big factors: the vote of a significant majority prohibiting tax dollars for abortion, and also millions of us, the voting public and awakened silent majority. Yes, here we are and we are not going away. There was a little thing called an election in Virginia and in New Jersey. Senatorial campaigns will soon begin in earnest, with incumbents having one eye on those results and another eye on the mood of their constituents who expressed quite clearly in exit polling they are not thrilled about zillions of dollars of government spending, which obviously the present health bills will expand enormously. Furthermore, a fair number of non-prolife senators could really care less whether taxpayer funding of abortion is in the final legislation. Finally, they need not curry favor with pro-aborts who do not deliver votes. How badly do these senators want Obama’s agenda–badly enough to put their own careers on the line? Don’t bet on it.
The anti abortion amendment will be removed. It was in there for a reason,. It reminds us Obama is not to be trusted. He will prove one more time, he is not worthy of trust.
what happened to “finding common ground” and “reduce the # of abortions” Mr Obama? Forcing taxpayers to PAY for elective abortions for which around 98% of them are because the condom broke or the birth control failed / was forgotten about…… This will INCREASE abortion (opposing the Stupak amendment). You are a Liar, Mr. Obama.
He’s consumed with attaining and retaining power in this life.
Posted by: angel at November 10, 2009 8:10 AM
angel, I believe this is why Pelosi allowed a vote on Stupak. Focusing debate between two irreconcilable groups discourages them from uniting in common opposition to the bill, which consolidates a great deal of power into the hands of government. Heaven forbid that proaborts would wake up and realize that the bill gives government appointees authority to put nearly anything their partisan hearts desire on the reimbursement chopping block. The progressives are banking on people to miss the forest for the trees.
I think y’all are more worried than necessary. If Bart Stupak and his friends are willing to basically hold this bill hostage to be sure that it doesn’t fund abortions, there’s no way they’ll vote for a final version that doesn’t do the same. Obama and Pelosi may not like it, but this is the Congress they have to work with and they’re only going to get out of it what Congress allows.
In the meantime, be calling your Senators and Representatives. Tell them not to vote for a bill that does allow for federally funded abortions. Keep the pressure on the congressmembers.
Fed UP,
I know you pretty much said this, but just to reiterate –
We need to oppose the Healthcare bill in its entirety, and not focus only on abortion!!!!
AAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
(Pulling hair out as the Truthometer explodes.)
Hi Jerry 10:05am
The whole point of permitting a vote on Stupak was to get this bill passed. This whole bill is anti-life. It should have been defeated in its entirety. By putting in Stupak, it cleared the way for “yes” votes and passage. Nancy and Barack’s ultimate goal.
Its also a great ploy to throw opponents off guard. For those to whom the PL issue is paramount, there’s the false security offered by Stupak. The great sense of victory, you know, like when the Trojans “defeated” the Greeks. And like the Trojans PL people danced and celebrated their “victory”, oblivious to the destruction they soon faced.
Sorry Jerry but I cannot share your positive outlook on this. This bill passed the House, and that in itself is a catastrophe. I think Stupak and co. had the best intentions, but we all know what the road to hell is paved with.
Hi Daniella 9:29am
So why do you suppose Nancy and Barack “caved” at the 11th hour. Right, passing the bill was the ultimate goal and if the Stupak Amendment will win them “yes” votes, all the better.
When your opponents suddenly “cave” you had best be very wary.
Mr.Obama promised no federal funds to fund abortion? Read Jill’s post. That tells everything one needs to know about Obama’s promises.
HisMan 10:51pm
That sums it up perfectly. Whether one chooses to believe the man is controlled by the devil or is a flaming sociopath, he is not someone who’s word can be trusted. Again, Jill’s post puts Obama’s duplicity on display.