Loughner, Obama, the Left: All mad (and did EMILY’s List’s incendiary, prophetic email incite the violence?)
In the days following the Arizona shootings, I was repulsed by the gross, shameless, respectless, baseless political fodder the Left made of the tragedy, even before the blood of the victims had dried on the pavement.
There is no dignity Left in America, pun intended. The hatred of what conservatives stand for has consumed them. They’ve gone mad to the point of losing any sense of decorum. The comfort I take is it’s not us they hate, it’s our principles they hate. We’re just the targets.
Did I say “targets”? Have I just given some crazy person a not-so-subliminal suggestion to kill, as the Left now claims? – This as they literally target 3-4,000 babies a day to really kill. Who’s actually crazy?
I looked back through emails the pro-abortion PAC EMILY’s List issued about one of the AZ victims, Congressperson Gabrielle Giffords, before the November election.
The Left side of the political brain has become amnesiatic about the fact that everyone uses war terminology as campaign rhetoric. Two could play at this game, if I were so crass. From October 26 (click all to enlarge)…
From October 28…
And the pièce de résistance, from December 16…
Of course Randall Terry is none of what EMILY’s List accuses him of being.
But if Sarah Palin can be blamed for inciting Jared Loughner to shoot Giffords simply by listing her as one of many “targets” on an election map, how much more should EMILY’s List be blamed for its provocative rhetoric about “armed violence” against “law-abiding citizens exercising the right to choose” when Giffords was the only one of those it identified? Did this not end up to be eerily prophetic? This wasn’t a metaphoric cocked trigger for an unbalanced person to literally fire?
It would have been perfect had Loughner been pro-life, since Giffords is pro-abortion. The Left jumped on this initial report by the Associated Press:
When other students read their poems, meanwhile, Coorough said Loughner “would laugh at things that you wouldn’t laugh at.” After one woman read a poem about abortion, “he was turning all shades of red and laughing,” and said, “Wow, she’s just like a terrorist, she killed a baby,” Coorough said.
Aha, they pounced, an anti-choice terrorist!
To its credit, MSM later clarified. The Los Angeles Times on January 11:
Still, many of his interactions with poetry classmates were off-putting. One day, a woman read a poem about having an abortion. “He made a really off-color comment,” Ali said. “I remember him saying something about strapping a bomb to the fetus and making a baby bomb out of it.”
ABC on January 9:
“One day [Loughner] started making comments about terrorism and laughing about killing the baby,” classmate Don Coorough told ABC News, referring to a discussion about abortions. “The rest of us were looking at him in shock … I thought this young man was troubled.”
Another classmate, Lydian Ali, recalled the incident as well.
“A girl had written a poem about an abortion. It was very emotional and she was teary eyed and he said something about strapping a bomb to the fetus and making a baby bomber,” Ali said.
So Loughner was actually one of them, someone with no respect for preborn human life.
But I would never have gone there. Everyone knows Loughner is a seriously mentally ill person whose warped mind may have been further damaged by drug use. That’s why he loaded a Glock 19 and shot up a crowd that included elderly people and a 9-yr-old girl.
Still and all something must be said about a society that is visibly coarsening and crumbling. It must be said that killing 1.2 million babies a year contributes to it.
If Loughner is considered deranged for killing 6 innocent people in 1 day, what do you call those who kill or promote killing 3-4,000 innocent people a day? And what do you call those who stand aside, like Germans in villages surrounding Nazi concentration camps? There is a societal price to pay when millions walking around in it participate in a decades-long steady and continuous mass extermination of our children.
And what do you call a president who supports the heinous partial birth abortion procedure and leaving abortion survivors to die but says in a speech, as he did last night, “I want to make sure this country lives up to our children’s expectations”?
What children? The children he forces taxpayers to fund killing? Is this not crazy?
The diagnosis may be different than Loughner’s, but people such as this are their own kind of mad.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
REALLY powerful commentary, Miss Jill. Thank you for telling it like it is with such grace, intelligence, dignity and restraint. Unfortunately, those of us who appreciate you are just ‘the choir’; the wisdom of your words falls on the deaf ears of the ones who most need to hear and understand the truth.
Blessings to you ~ Stephen
Amen Jill,
Thank you. Now I wonder when the sheriff will be held accountable for derelection of duty. He and his office were well aware of Loughner and the danger he posed to the people of the community. I understand he was assuring people that Loughner was being monitored by his office and posed no danger! Did the sheriff know that Loughner was obsessed with Congresswoman Giffords and take the necessary precautions. Certainly a sheriff of all people knows how dangerous these people can be.
Yes, I’m talking of the same sheriff who blamed “the right”. Don’t law enforcement officers usually require evidence before blaming someone? Also, are they not more careful about giving defense lawyers great ammunition?
God has given us free will. And if you have no God, you don’t have free will …
and we’re all just robots reacting to stimuli.
Mary, I don’t know about the laws in Arizona, but here in PA a person has to be a threat to himself or others before he can be involuntarily committed. It’s not that easy. Some people with psychiatric issues know just want to say in front of a psychiatrist or other mental health professional to convince them that they are perfectly sane.
Cranky, you’re right, we all have a free will, so I really don’t think anyone is to blame except Loughner himself.
Hi phillymiss,
I have heard that in Arizona it is easier to commit a person for at least a 72 hour observation. There is a citizen hotline to report people who are deemed mentally unstable and potentially dangerous.
Even if they could not commit him, I would think the sheriff would have kept this guy under close observation, especially since it was known he was obsessed with the congresswoman.
Actually phillymiss, in the 1960’s a local man became obsessed with my widowed mother and stalked her. Terribly frightening since it was obvious the man was unstable. Back then obsession and stalking were not taken as seriously as it is now.
The police were unable to do anything since unlike Loughner, there was really nothing on this man. He had posed no threat to anyone, no one complained about him and obsession and stalking were not viewed as criminal or dangerous.
I’d say that Loughner is 40% responsible, while Justin Bieber is 60% responsible.
Doug, LOL!! Ok, it’s not funny to joke… but that was funny ;>)
Stephen, Mary, thx… :)
Hi Doug 12:46PM
You’re making a lot more sense than most of the people on the left, but then it isn’t possible to make much less sense.
Obama received great praise for his speech last night, while Sarah Palin is criticized and demonized for hers, being accused of putting herself into this story regarding the AZ shooting and making it all about her.
Of course the press, leftists, leftist celebrities, et al, actually shoe horned Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Conservatives, and even George W. Bush somehow, into this. They did not put themselves into the story.
You know people are mentally deranged when their knee jerk reaction to a mass murder and attempted murder is to blame Sarah Palin and the others mentioned above, and, after facts finally come out to disprove that false scenario, the same accusers cling to their bitter hatred and derangement and persist that, well, if they weren’t really responsible, then they should be held responsible because they are responsible, even though they aren’t responsible.
In other words, they are so sick and mentally deranged, they are about as unreasonable as the guy who pulled the trigger himself in their relentless, irrational attachment, their “bitter clinging” to their bigotry, hatred, racism, misogyny, misrepresentation, fabrication, and so forth.
Do you know what Sarah Palin is guilty of:
Her is a list:
1) She is successful
2) She is somewhat of a Conservative who was the Governor of a US State, and, although she was running as Vice President, she put the fear of God into Obama and the leftists’ heart during the campain when she and the sorry excuse for a candidate, McCain, leaped ahead and stayed ayead in the polls for several weeks during the 2008 Presidential campaign.
3) She did NOT abort her “downs syndrome baby.” Many leftists, abortion obsessed females full of hate, and others took offense with that dumb bit@# who did not abort her child who she knew had Downs Syndrome. What was Sarah Palin thinking? Doesn’t she know that, to be a “real” woman, she should abort her child, especially one with a birth defect, like Downs Syndrom. If she does not hire a medical hit man to engage in medically raping her and slaughtering her innocent child, then she is an outrage, an abomination, and worthy of scorn and shunning by “real” women.
Remember, real women abort their babies, and only love the babies they don’t abort, but if you are a Conservative women who follows a faith, such as Christianity, and you don’t pay a hired baby assassin to butcher your baby, then you are a nut job to be hated and scorned.
4) Sarah Palin did not really have “connections” and is strong and successful, and is not being propped up by leftist celebrities. Bad move.
5) Sarah Palin is a “hick.” She lives in Rural Alaska, hunts, fishes, etc., and, oh, for all that is importan, she, brace yourself, goes to church, or follows a religion, and she does not live in New York City, San Francisco, or Los Angeles. That’s terrible!
6) Sarah Palin is smarter than most all of her detractors, which drives them nuts. To “cut her down to size” they must place themselves above her. Nothing does that more efficiently than demonizing her, hating her, fabricating nonsense and false clainms against ther, and attacking her no matter whether she turns right or left, looks up or down, wears pink or blue, says yes or no, eats with her left hand or her right, smiles or frowns, speaks or remains silent, agrees or disagrees. She is just to be hated and attacked no matter what.
Those will do for now.
in the mean time, the press is so upity about blaming the shootings on Sarah Palin, and trying to foment an air of danger to Congresspersons and the President, and blame that on Sarah Palin, but they don’t care that they are pushing people to hate Sarah Palin, and the others I mentioned above, and that people have launched not only invectives toward Sarah Palin (Glenn Beck, etc., ) they have increased their already voluminous number of death threats against Sarah Palin.
The leftists and their leftist media don’t care if they drum up hatred and violence against a Conservative, or somewhat conservative person, especially against Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, the Tea Party, George W. Bush, etc. If one or all of them or their loved ones are attacked, injured, or murdered, the leftists and their media, will not shed a tear, and will blame it on Sarah Palin, et al, themselves. They will not revisit their blame nonsense on others as they have toward Sarah Palin et al.
She did NOT abort her “downs syndrome baby.” Many leftists, abortion obsessed females full of hate, and others took offense with that dumb bit@# who did not abort her child who she knew had Downs Syndrome. What was Sarah Palin thinking?
You’re right about this one. I’ve actually heard people condemn her for having a Down Syndrome baby. Terrible.
I didn’t hear either speech, but I think she made a poor choice with the use of the term “blood libel.”
Also, I just wonder why Obama did not attend a memorial service for our brave soldiers at Ford Hood.
Hi phillymiss,
Just a point of interest. Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz, an attorney not known for his conservative views, has defended Sarah Palin’s use of that word. I didn’t read the entire article but find that an interesting point.
Given that threats against Sarah Palin’s life have increased since the media began its vendetta, I wonder what the left now has to say about “rhetoric”.
William and phillymiss,
The left would have loved nothing more than for Sarah Palin to abort her DS child. Then they could have sanctimoniously pounded their chests about her “hypocrisy”.
You’re right about this one. I’ve actually heard people condemn her for having a Down Syndrome baby. Terrible.”
I hang around nothing but “leftists” and I can honestly say I’ve never heard one bit of criticism related to her decision not to abort.
Well Hal, I’m not lying when i say I heard my father express shock, dismay, and disgust that she did not abort Trig.
“Also, I just wonder why Obama did not attend a memorial service for our brave soldiers at Ford Hood.”
He most certainly did attend the Fort Hood memorial service.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/10/AR2009111005792.html
Hi phillymiss 4:24PM
How ironic about your father. I can remember when a white/black mixed race child evoked the same reaction. The revulsion was that the child was part black.
I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.
As usual,the pot is calling the kettle black. Some liberal commentators may have been premature in blaming right-wing columnists for this horrendous tragedy,
but conservative commentators also made the false claim that the madman Loughner is
a “liberal”,citing the fact that he had copies of MeinKampf and the Communist manifesto,
misleadingly making it sound as though he committed the atrocity because he was brainwashed by communist philosophy,which is asinine.
Loughner is just plain nuts.He’s not a liberal or a conservative.
But the fact remains that right-wing blowhards like Limbaugh,Hannity,Michael Savage,
Anthrax Coulter,Michelle Malkin ,Glenn Beck and others DO encourage a paranoid hatred and fear of the US government and President Obama, and may very well be guilty of inflaming many right-wing nut cases into doing terrible things.
And Obama does NOT advocate allowing infants who survive late term abortions to be left to die. This is just one of the many,many false rumors which have been spread about him.He doesn’t support “Partial Birth abortion” bevcause no such thing exists.It’s just a nasty-sounding term invented by the anti-choice movement.It isn’t even a recognized ,official medical term in obstetrics and gynecology.
Instances where an infant survives a late term abortion ar extremely rare anyway.
And such late term abortions are also extremely rare and done for legiotimate medical cases in medical emergencies. Women don’t just capriciously decide to have an abortion that late because they decide they don’t want the baby,and doctors use anesthetics to prevent the baby from experiencing pain,too.
Only Sarah Palin and the right wingers can rewrite the story to make themselves the victims. Simply unbelievable work.
The fringe right took a few articles that questioned if angry rhetoric contributed to this, and instead of any sort of meaningful conversation, the “victim” card was pulled out pretty quickly. Palin needs to get over herself and realize that if she’s going to talk as she does, it will invite criticism. And there are real victims here, and it isn’t the right wing.
I wish people would stop caring so much about left-wing or right-wing. In this moment, it’s more important to think about what we do have in common- our country, our humanity. For once, can we all stop fighting over Palin or Obama? Really, the only thing that we can possibly learn from all of this is to see the humanity in our opposition.
William, Robert Berger- stop calling one another “vile pro-aborts” or “vile anti-choicers.” My God, a nine-year-old girl is dead. And nothing is going to remedy that- and just think that from one human being to another, and one human problem to another, we have got to work this out. There’s no more room for this level of hatred.
On Septemger 15th, 1999 just before 7pm a lone man entered the sanctuary of Wedgwood Baptist Churcn in Ft. Worth, Texas and opened fire on unarmed children, teenagers, and adults, wounding 7 and killing 7. He fired over one hundred rounds from two different handguns and detonated a pipe bomb.
It says in the ‘book’ that there is only one LORD, one Spirit and one Body and when one of the members hurts or rejoices, the other members of the body of Christ sympahize, empathize and share the experience with him/her.
I can honestly say, tho I did not know a single soul who was wounded or killed, or any of their friends or family, that I shared in their loss and in their grief.
My wife and I and our 5 children attended the memorial service held at the TCU football stadium to pay our last repects to the deceased and to honor their family and friends. I do not remember how many other people who were in attendance or much of what was spoken.
I do remember that democrat presidential candidate Al Gore had made some noisie about attending and I was very annoyed. Governor George W. Bush, also a presidential candidate, came to Ft. Worth and met privately with the pastor of Wedgewood Baptist Church to console and encourage him. I do not recall any public pronoucnements about Bush coming to the memorial. I privately hoped that Bush would not show up. I thought his presence as ‘governor’ would distract and detract from the moment.
The Al Gore appearance never materialized. Shortly before the memorials service was to start George Bush walked out of the tunnel leading on to the field and continued on past the platform that was filled with speakers and dignitaries and climbed the steps to the stands and took off his sports coat and sat with the crowd of mourners. Governor Bush did not talk to the media or initiate conversation with the mourners but sat silently and respectfully and mourned with us.
When the memorial service was over Bush shook hands and spoke with whomever approached him and I recall he deliberately did not interact with the media.
I am sure if Bush had made it known he wanted a place on that platform to share what was on his heart and mind a place would have been given. He was the Governor of Texas.
But Bush had the since of propriety, dignity and decorum to know that he did not deserve a place in that setting except to sit silently with the rest of us and mourn the loss.
I do not remember any one speculating the shooter was moved by anti-christian bigotry or that he had been provoked by the ACLU or People for the American Way or the National Organization of Women or the National Abortion Rights Action League or the democRAT party.
The Tarrant County Sherrif did not blame the loony left for provoking the derranged mad man to violence.
“And Obama does NOT advocate allowing infants who survive late term abortions to be left to die.”
Obama does not want doctors to treat or perform first aid on babies who survive abortion attempts. There is a legal public record of this. You need to get with the facts. Obama has legislatively supported the notion that if a woman pays for a dead baby, that is exactly what she is getting. “Partial birth” is a term that describes the late term abortion wherein the child is nearly fully delivered but with just a portion of his body still in the birth canal. Then the hitman kills the child (one method is by piercing the brain with an instrument like scissors) and completes his removal from the birth canal.
It has been estimated by the CDC that 500 babies survive late term abortions every year. 500!
Women that have medical emergencies late in pregnancy go to the hospital for an emergency C-section.
Those that wanted their late term babies killed by Tiller went and had it done over the course of 3 days. Hardly an “emergency.”
Oh but Robert. You know all of this already!!!
Yor Broken,
Thanks for telling that story. It’s true that George W. Bush had the decency and grace to not exploit tragic deaths and not use the media to garner attention for himself. He often met privately with military families who’d lost a loved one and made sure there was no press. He just had a sense of dignity and respect. I miss that.
Robert Berger and EGV,
Oh cry me a river. Some liberal commentators were “premature”. The “fringe right” took a few articles that questioned if political rhetoric contributed to this.
Now who’s rewriting history?
EGV and RB, liberals and the MSM made the assumption that “right wingers” were behind this and ran with it. A classic case of becoming hystrerical first, and then refusing to be confused with the facts when you finally get them. You had that idiot sheriff blaming “the right” when in fact it was him and his office that were seriously derelict in their responsibility to protect citizens, including the congressman, from a man they knew posed a serious danger to the community. BTW real law enforcement officers know to be very careful about blaming anyone, especially when admitting they have no evidence. A defense attorney can have a real field day with that one.
Chris(Tinkle down my leg)Matthews on PMSLSD and his guests cited Mark Levin and Michael Savage as among those “responsible” for inciting this type of violence with their “vitriol”. Palin’s website had certain congressional districted targeted with a crosshair. Big deal. Didn’t that charmer White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel send a pollster a dead fish? In case you don’t know that Mafiaese for someone “sleeping with the fishes”. Let’s see, Obama wanted to bring a gun to a knife fight.
AG Eric Holder saw no need to prosecute Black Panthers for intimidating voters.
The left has been relentless in their venom against Sarah Palin.
Yes gentlemen, let’s talk of the civility of the left.
Of coure a movie depicting George Bush being assassinated and explicitly violent movies don’t incite anyone to violence. Noooooooo. That’s because they’re made by the Hollywood left.
Hey guys, speaking of “rhetoric” any chance all the venom spewed at Palin is responsible for the increased death threats against her? Palin made herself a victim? Who the heck dragged her into this in the first place? The woman shouldn’t defend herself?
And such late term abortions are also extremely rare and done for legiotimate medical cases in medical emergencies.
LOL! Medical emergencies go to the hospital. And yeah, those late terms are just SO rare that I’m sure guys like the late Dr. Tiller and Haskell and Hern and Carhart are making peanuts. Peanuts.
I guess Tiller didn’t really need to be “replaced” after his passing, because, ya know, those late term abortions like, hardly EVER take place. Hardly. Ever.
500, Carla? And those are just the ones who survive the late-term procedure.
Hey Robert, good to know that using painkillers on someone totally makes it ok to kill them.
And Obama does NOT advocate allowing infants who survive late term abortions to be left to die.
I’ve posted the audio of him saying this before: “I suspect that doctors feel that they would be under that obligation, that they would already be making these determinations, and that essentially adding an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion.”
Barack Obama
Illinois Senate
April 4, 2002
Expressing his opposition to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act
http://www.onetruemedia.com/shared?p=7030bd098cca768e72d111&skin_id=701&utm_source=otm&utm_medium=text_url
He doesn’t support “Partial Birth abortion” bevcause no such thing exists. It’s just a nasty-sounding term invented by the anti-choice movement.It isn’t even a recognized ,official medical term in obstetrics and gynecology.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet, eh, Robert? It’s an intact D&X. If you’d care to read it as described by Haskell and Carhart, you can go here.
Also, thanks, Christina, for posting this. http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-and-born-alive-babies.html
“Obama does not want doctors to treat or perform first aid on babies who survive abortion attempts. There is a legal public record of this. You need to get with the facts.”
Not quite true. Obama opposed a particular law that would have required certain care for babies who survived abortions. He never supported any law that would have prohibited doctors from providing such treatment. Subtle, but important, difference.
oh, and Ken, there is no “Democrat” party in the United States. Spelling it like that is just stupid. Could you please stop it?
“I do not remember any one speculating the shooter was moved by anti-christian bigotry or that he had been provoked by the ACLU or People for the American Way or the National Organization of Women or the National Abortion Rights Action League or the democRAT [sic]party.”
Oh really? Check again. A five minute google search led me to these quotes:
Many evangelical leaders have begun to see “committed Christians” as the latest victims of hate crimes of the sort perpetrated upon blacks, women and gays. They have also begun to view those attacks in terms of the history of their faith–as acts of Satan, and as part of a persecution that stretches back to the earliest days of Christianity, during which countless believers suffered and died for professing their faith.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,31191-1,00.html#ixzz1AyaN3ihg
Jerry Falwell, as usual, goes a step further. “Most hate crimes in America today are not directed toward African-American or Jewish people or gays or lesbians,” he claims. “They are directed at evangelical Christians.” He blames “Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Janet Reno” for not responding as forcefully to crimes against Evangelicals as they have to other kinds of hate crime.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,31191-2,00.html#ixzz1AyZz0Jnl
hal,
People viewing themselves as persecuted is one thing. Suggesting that people’s rhetoric is responsible for a massacre is quite another.
Ken’s point is valid. No one suggested that left wing groups and their rhetoric inspired a deranged gunman to shoot people in a church. Apparently the sheriff in this situation actually knew how a lawperson is to conduct his/herself and did not interject his personal opinion and politics as to who was “really responsible”. He apparently had some ridiculous notion that people who commit the crime are the people responsible for the crime.
It makes no sense to be upset about the Democratic Party being called the Democrat Party. The members of the Democratic Party are called Democrats. They’re “Democrats” and they belong to a “Party”. Therefore how could Democrats possibly object to being called members of the “Democrat Party”?
Well, actually, it only makes sense on one level, and that is if you associate the lower-case word ”democratic” with the upper-case “Democratic” Party. The intention here is to make people think that the “Democratic Party” is the “democratic party”, meaning, the party of democracy. The Republican Party is, of course, the party of evil pseudo-Christian fascism, hatred, torture, corporatism and endless war. At least, it is according to the Democrats who are now wringing their hands about all of the over-the-top rhetoric.
Of course, like most political parties, the Democratic Party only cares about its own interests and power. The same is true of the Republican Party. But, it is also true that Democrats in particular tend to be fond of playing these word games, so I guess I can understand why they would be upset about someone throwing a wrench into one of their many attempts to abuse the English language for political gain.
Heck, there is a word game being played in this very thread. The claim is that there’s no such thing as “Partial Birth Abortion” because it’s not a medical term. By that rationale, there is also no such thing as a “tummy ache” because “tummy ache” is not a medical term. The procedures medically known as ”Dilation and Extraction” and “Dilation and Evacuation” are commonly referred to as “Partial Birth Abortion”. But a big part of the word game is to pretend that this isn’t the case, and just keep on sticking your fingers in your ears, and your hands over your eyes, and keep on saying what you know to be wrong.
This is what Ken said:
“I do not remember any one speculating the shooter was moved by anti-christian bigotry …
I simply pointed out that it is not true. There was a lot of speculation that the shooter was moved by anti-christian bigotry. Once again, Ken gets his facts wrong while trying to make a ridiculous point. THe guy can’t even remember the name of one of the two major parties in our country.
This “blame game” against Sarah Palin is pretty pathetic. So Palin is responsible for the shooting because she “targeted” Giffords’ district in an election? Palin was the first person to ever target a district? No, actually, the Democrats have targeted districts before. The Daily Kos itself also targeted Giffords’ district for a primary challenge, since it wanted a more liberal Democrat in her seat. And the day before the attack on Giffords, a member of Daily Kos posted the shocking message that Rep. Giffords was “DEAD” to him, complete with references to him owning a gun and attempting suicide. If they hadn’t caught Loughner right away, this guy would have been a suspect:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/6/933828/-My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me
But yeah, Palin did it. I guess that makes the entire pro-abortion industry responsible for the Discovery Channel shooter, James J. Lee, who was motivated by pro-abortion and generally anti-life philosophies. Remember when the media tried to spin Lee’s obvious pro-abortion mentality as an anti-immigration mentality? What a joke.
I guess that makes Al Gore responsible for the Unabomber, who owned Gore’s book and wrote a lot of stuff about environmentalism that sounds just like the things Gore says.
This is stupid. The Unabomber was crazy. James Lee was crazy. Loughner is also crazy. Blaming people for their actions when they have nothing to do with them is probably one of the best ways to cause discord in this country. Is that the goal? Or is it just to abuse a tragedy in order to attack political rivals?
Wow, I guess now we know the unmovable hal is moved not by the slaughter of unborn children, but by the use of an improper term for something he cares about. ;)
I think Ken found hal’s button and pushed it one too many times! (I kid, I kid.)
P.S. – I don’t recall reading about “anti-Christian bigotry” speculation, either. Is there a link to an article you could post for us, hal?
What gets me about this whole thing is that if Christina Green had been nine weeks in utero instead of nine years old and Jared Loughner had been an abortionist, her death would be perfectly okay with pro-choicers as long as her mother wanted her dead.
Mary – talk about painting with a broad brush. A few folks suggested a strong link. A lot of folks, and they should, talked about the general angry tone in politics these days. Palin jumped on that as fast as she could to become the victim in this game. It was sad to see. While the majority of politicians on both sides were staying above the fray and calling for civil discourse and unity, she was a divider. One more reason we’ll never see a President Palin (though I hope she gets the nod in 2012 to try!).
Ex-GOP Voter, could you kindly explain to me the difference between defending yourself from spurious, malicious attacks and making yourself into a victim?
Palin was unjustly blamed for Loughner’s actions by liberal partisans throughout the media. Palin spoke up in her own defense. Therefore Palin made herself a victim? How’s that work?
Hmm, apparently, your argument is that the liberal partisans in the media weren’t talking about Palin directly, but rather were talking about the “general angry tone” without naming names, and then Palin swooped in with her guilty conscience and made a statement. That would make sense if it were an accurate presentation of what actually took place. In reality, however, liberal partisans all over the media specifically blamed Sarah Palin herself for this attack. Countless references were made to Sarah Palin’s map with the crosshairs on it, and Sarah Palin’s “reload” comment, despite the fact that using targets and bulleyes on maps is nothing new in politics, nor is using the language of war to refer to political competitions.
So, it really doesn’t make any sense to say that Palin made herself into a victim. She was intentionally and unjustly blamed for a horrific crime that had nothing to do with her. She addressed the media’s attacks on her. That’s about it. Meanwhile, President Obama decided to turn a memorial service into a pep rally. I don’t know how many funerals or memorial services you’ve been to that have the atmosphere of a major sporting event, complete with cheering, “wooting” and booing, but I can’t say I have ever experienced such a spectacle myself.
Hal,
I suppose I could fall back on the qualifying preface, “I don’t remember’ and let my defence go at that.
But that would a liberal democRAT tactic.
When I have been shown to be wrong I have acknowleded it.
None of the people you referenced in the Time piece where elected officials. Jerry Falwell is the only one who could reasonably be conidered a ‘political spokesperson’. None of them blamed the ‘speech’ of the left as a reason for the shooting.
Some them did point to what they considered to be a double standard in how the left identifies hate crimes and how the left enforces existing law.
[Recent example:Remember the two New Black Panther Party members brandishing trungeosn at the entrance to a polling place and the non-response of Erci Holder’s Justice Department. When muslim Nissan Haddal jumped on a desk shouted Allah Akbar right before murdering his fellow soldiers, we were cautioned by b o not to rush to judgement that this might be a terrorist act/hate crime. [Remember this self same buffoon once informed us , “The poice acted stupidly.” before he had a clue what really happened.]
The pastor of the Wegewood congregation did not lay the blame at ‘flesh and blood’ but at the ‘evil one’ [He was not referrijng to the shooter.]
None of the people you referenced advocated gun control or speech control in response to the tragedy.
It is patently obvious that democRATs are attempting to profit politically from a tragedy. They did not even wait til the blood was dry or dead bodies had assumed room temperature. Whille some of the victims were fighting for their lives they immediately embarked on an orchestrated campaign to blame their political opponents and they have not ceased in their attempt.
The memorial service was ‘Wellstonesque’. The b o administration may not have orchestrated the cheering but they could have taken steps in advance to limit it.
Language, words, debate had nothing to do with this mans actions.
democRATs are shamelss political profiteers and who have not yet discoverd a tactic that is beneath them when they believe they can benefit by its use.
The last straw for me was when a voice from heaven joined in the chorus. Giffords brother-in-law speaking from aboard the international space station attempts to blame this tragedy on political discourse. I will give him a break and acknowledge that he is at disadvantage being that far away from the epicenter of the event. Hopefully, he has since had the opportunity to examine the facts and will make public correction.
The final insult is the constant referring to Gabriell Giffords as a ‘moderate’ democRAT.
She is only ‘moderate’ in comparison to the extreme left of the left.
She is scores 100% on the ‘dead babies r us’ crowds tally of her abortion related voting record and she scores 0% on the pro-lifers tally on the same votes.
I guess having enough sense to know that you will have great difficulty getting elected in Arizona if you don’t pass muster with the NRA and voting against missy Pelosi as minority leader is enough to qualify as a ‘moderate democRAT’ in the eye of the far left.
Giffords voted for the obama hellth scare scam.
None of that had any thing to do with what motivated the man who shot her.
He was and is certifiabley insane.
If properly medicated and registered as a democRAT the left would vote for Loughner. They have elected worse.
Maurader,
Thank you for that! It took my breath away.
Ken, what should we do with RATS? Exterminate them? Is that your point?
A great man once said:
We should be civil because we want to live up to the example of public servants like John Roll and Gabby Giffords, who knew first and foremost that we are all Americans, and that we can question each other’s ideas without questioning each other’s love of country and that our task, working together, is to constantly widen the circle of our concern so that we bequeath the American Dream to future generations.
so that we bequeath the American Dream to future generations.
“… but not the ones who were slated for abortion and lived, because they should have been dead. After all, that was the “original decision of the mother.” And also, not the ones who were the “punishments” of their mothers who engaged in sex before they were ready to have children. I mean, after all, kids will be kids! And it’s child’s play these days to engage in sexual activity too soon, but we can’t expect any different nor appear to a higher standard, because kids WILL be kids. And also not the future generations who were the hapless leftovers of IVF, and also not the ones who were selectively reduced by their mothers, and also not the ones who were wiped out because they had Down Syndrome or other defect, and also not the children of college students or single moms with 2 other kids or married moms who feel stressed enough already or of pretty much anybody who chooses not to birth the next generation for any reason whatsoever. I’m not talking about *those* future generations. Just for the ones who were lucky enough to be born at the exact right time to the exact right parents in an exactly right situation. THEY can have the American Dream. The dream of having the freedom to abort their own children one day, in order to get where they want to go in life. My “circle of concern” is wide enough for those children, but not for the others.”
Just my version of what that “great man” Obama *really* meant.
Does this mean that President Obama will stop referring to Republicans as “the enemy” of Hispanics, and that he will no longer say things such as that the Republicans need to ride in the back seat, or that if the GOP brings a knife to a fight, he’ll bring a gun, or tell his supporters to get in the faces of conservatives?
Obama could have made a great speech at the memorial and avoided being a hypocrite. It would have been simple; all he would have had to do is decry all vitriolic political language, including his own, and including the eight years of vitriol directed at President Bush. Instead, he gave us more empty words, and more promises that will undoubtedly be broken.
A great woman once said:
“Just days before she was shot, Congresswoman Giffords read the First Amendment on the floor of the House. It was a beautiful moment and more than simply “symbolic,” as some claim, to have the Constitution read by our Congress. I am confident she knew that reading our sacred charter of liberty was more than just “symbolic.” But less than a week after Congresswoman Giffords reaffirmed our protected freedoms, another member of Congress announced that he would propose a law that would criminalize speech he found offensive.
It is in the hour when our values are challenged that we must remain resolved to protect those values. Recall how the events of 9-11 challenged our values and we had to fight the tendency to trade our freedoms for perceived security. And so it is today.
Let us honor those precious lives cut short in Tucson by praying for them and their families and by cherishing their memories. Let us pray for the full recovery of the wounded. And let us pray for our country. In times like this we need God’s guidance and the peace He provides. We need strength to not let the random acts of a criminal turn us against ourselves, or weaken our solid foundation, or provide a pretext to stifle debate.
America must be stronger than the evil we saw displayed last week. We are better than the mindless finger-pointing we endured in the wake of the tragedy. We will come out of this stronger and more united in our desire to peacefully engage in the great debates of our time, to respectfully embrace our differences in a positive manner, and to unite in the knowledge that, though our ideas may be different, we must all strive for a better future for our country. May God bless America.”
great point Maurauder.
We have lost our sense of ownership for our actions – and this lone gunman, incapacitated as he was, was responsible.
Can we make a better public discourse? Of course. Can we be kinder? Of course. Can our society improve? Certainly.
If people were not bent on ‘making others see it our way’ like the media and political posturing – we could see the humanity in each other. And indeed if we are Christians, we could see the Christ in each other, and treat each other better.
And of course, in treating everyone better that includes the pre-born, elderly, disabled, poor, unemployed, homeless etc. etc. And the change begins with each of us individually.
EGV, 6:37am
John Lewandowski did an excellent job of responding to your 6:37am post addressed to me. I will only add that I cannot imagine what planet you have spent the past several days on.
Hi John Lewandowski 11:34am
I must also wonder if the next White House Chief of Staff will refrain from sending dead fish to those he disagrees with.
Marauder says: January 14, 2011 at 5:59 am
“What gets me about this whole thing is that if Christina Green had been nine weeks in utero instead of nine years old and Jared Loughner had been an abortionist, her death would be perfectly okay with pro-choicers as long as her mother wanted her dead.”
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If the pre-natal Green had been diagnosed en utero with Downs Syndrome there would have been some on the left who would have been OK with aborting her even if Greens mother did not choose to do so,
or , to put it another way,
There are some on the left who are upset anytime a woman choose to give birth to a child known to have Downs Syndrome.
Forced abortion is OK with these folks when it happens in China.
Why would it be unreasonable to conclude a change of geography would NOT result in a change of mind with these sophisticated barabarians?
These indigant divas would primarily be liberal democRATs.
hal says: January 14, 2011 at 9:08 am
“Ken, what should we do with RATS? Exterminate them? Is that your point?
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Why Hal, I do believe you are attempting to bait me into writing something that could be construed by reasonable folk as an incitment to violence against democRATs.
To take the bait would be redundant.
democRATS do not need my help.
democRATs have already said and done enough themselves to incite reasonable people to anger.
If they keep referring to their constituents and fellow citizens as bigots and rednecks, they may yet incite some ‘reasonable’ person to violence. [At the very least they will engineer an even greater repudiation at the next election.]
I suppose I do owe an apology to rats for equating them with liberal progressive humanists.
No one expects a rat to behave other than like a rat.
We do expect humans who take an oath to defend and uphold the constitution to NOT be a ‘rat’ and honor that oath.
Word do mean things.
They are not just toys for the amusement of the ‘more than equals’;
or
to be tossed around as promiscuously as a whore shares her bed with any who is indiscriminate enough to swap spit with her.
Thanks for raising the level of discourse. You know, these democrats love their country just as much as you do.
Hal,
You may ‘believe’ that ‘these democrats love their country’ just as much as you do, but you do not NOT know it and neither do I.
[Pedophiles actually believe they are ‘loving’ their victims and their victims love what they are doing to them.]
The president, representatives and senators swear an oath to the constitution, not the president, the country or their party.
The apoplexy that resulted among liberals from the reading of the constitution at the opening of this most recent congress is instructive.
Maybe progressives are so forward thinking they are not capable of reading anything written in the past.
I understand Gabrielle Giffords part was to read the first ammendment to the constitution. It says in there somewhere that ‘congress shall make no law’.
That is a concept so alien, so radical, so beyond their comprehension that some liberals must have been speechless. The idea that they are ‘limited’ in any way must have been an insult.
The 9th and 10th ammendments must make the veins in their necks bulge and their eyes bug out.
My personal favorite:No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
“ You’re right about this one. I’ve actually heard people condemn her for having a Down Syndrome baby. Terrible.”
I hang around nothing but “leftists” and I can honestly say I’ve never heard one bit of criticism related to her decision not to abort. ”
A (liberal) family member thought I was out of hearing range, and joked to another family member about how Palin had the desire to have a baby who was MR so that the world would know how pious she is.
Jokes are one thing. The numbers indicate that 9/10 babies who happen to be detected as most likely having Down Syndrome are aborted due to the Down Syndrome-positive genetic test.
So, if a baby is mentally retarded, but the MR cannot be detected by genetic test, the baby has a much better chance at life. Call that what you want. I call it “genetic discrimination.” I see it as a human riggts issue.
Even more scary to actually consider for those who think abortion is OK: the test to figure out if the baby has Down Syndrome or not gives a false positive reading 5 percent of the time. So, for every 100 suspected Down Syndrome babies aborted, five of them were aborted who did not have down Syndrome, but were mistakenly believed to have Down Syndrome.
So, here in the U.S., we are killing off healthy babies just to be on the safe side.
The March of Dimes claims to be neutral on the abortion issue. Yet, their slogan reveals their intent: to decrease the number of babies BORN with birth defects. They are heavily supporting efforts to develop and improve the ability to detect birth defects prenatally. Why? Are they pushing only for diseases that can be treated prenatally? Hardly. to them, success is having the kids with birth defects get aborted before birth, therefore fulfilling their goal.
This is a human rights issue, and should be co-opted by the democrats. One day, the socialist party will get confident enough and bold enough to be honest and admit they are socialists, and break off from the democratic party, their launching pad. At that time, the democratic party will recognize this human rights issue, and again adopt a pro-life policy, as was held by Ted Kennedy back in the 1970s.
Until then, I simply feel like the last democrat.
-The Last Democrat.
Mary, I listened to the last hour of Sean Hannity today during which he asked liberals to call in and tell him what he’s said or done that’s hateful. All they could muster during the hour is that it was “hateful” when Hannity called Obama a “failure”. Yet Hannity explained that his point of view that Obama is a failure is based on mainly on the failure of the stimulus.
And if calling the president a “failure” is hateful, what about the Google-bombing of the term “miserable failure” to George W. Bush’s profile on the White House website? That effort required thousands if not millions of liberals creating a link to the White House website with the hyperlink text “miserable failure”. Does that mean that thousands (or millions) of liberals were guilty of hate speech?
For his part, actual hatemonger Bill Maher was on TV the other day and he offered this answer to the question of why it’s OK for the left to be hateful but not the right – Maher stated that it’s the people on the right who resort to violence, while the people on the left don’t. Therefore, left-wing hatred is fine because it doesn’t cause violence. Really, Maher? I think you need to take a look at this site:
http://www.prochoiceviolence.com/
Hi John,
How interesting you mention Sean since he at one time had a “hate Hannity hot line” where liberals and those opposing him could spew their venom, and spew it they did. Sean did have to warn them that threats of violence would be investigated so just stick to venom. The hatred was appalling and the language so vile that most of it had to be censored.
Speaking of intolerance and hate, wasn’t it that great liberal Democrat bastion of Boston Massachussetts where the word of a white man sent the police on a witchhunt in the black community? Remember Charles Stuart who shot his pregnant wife and falsely accused a “black carjacker”. The police were accosting black men on the streets and in their homes, violations of civil rights were rampant. Personally I suspected Stuart from day one. The police went on this witchhunt first and didn’t even begin to ask some questions until later. Apparently the word of an upper class white man was good enough for them. Does anyone believe an accusation by a poor black man would send police rampaging through the white upper class community? Yeah, when snow flies in you know where.
I wonder if any black people being accosted or killed in Boston after this incident was attributed to the bigotry, animosity, and shoddy police work that fueled this incident and resulted from this incident.
Now imagine if this incident had taken place in Mississippi. The liberals and their MSM allies would be wailing like a Greek chorus.
In fact, I believe it was in more conservative South Carolina where police took Susan Smith’s accusations of a “black carjacker” taking her car and children with a grain of salt. They proceeded with extreme caution in their investigation and did not find it necessary to rampage through the black community. Gee, this in a more conservative and of course intolerant state? The old confederacy?
hal says: January 14, 2011 at 9:08 am
“Ken, what should we do with [democ]RATS? Exterminate them? Is that your point?
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Hal,
‘we’ don’t need to do anything.
b o is the ‘brass rat’ and it seems he is leading the liberal lemmings off the cliff into political oblivion.
About a week ago I stopped in the donut shop for a cinamon roll. As I turned to leave an elderly gentleman motioned for me to join him at his table. So I took him up on his invitation.
Jacques came to the United States in the 1940’s from France on a student visa. But he got so involved in skirt chasing that his grades sufferred and that brought him to the attention of the draft board.
They told him under the terms of his student visa he had three options:
1. Enlist
2. Be drafted
3. Return to France
Jacques told them to draft him. He was inducted into the army and after basic training was deployed to Germany. When the army discoverd Jacques could speak 5 european languages fluently, they transferred him from a combat unit to CIC.
There Jacques interviewed German citizens to identify who had been members of the NAZI party. Jacques said no one he interviewed admitted he/she was or had been a NAZI or knew anyone who was.
Jacques says most of them were liars.
On second thought maybe we should tag and release the democRATs in case there are any survivors. [I have already suggested they self identify and get an obama logo tatooed on their forheads.] That way years down the road when we have gone to glory, the suceeding generations will be able to identify the ones who were responsible for their current misery.
ps: Jacques is naturalized U.S. Citizen and is proud to be an american.
If you want I will send an email to Jill with Jacques name and telephone number and you can fact check my narrative.
John –
Hey, sorry I hadn’t gotten back on this question: “Ex-GOP Voter, could you kindly explain to me the difference between defending yourself from spurious, malicious attacks and making yourself into a victim?”
I think the answer is pretty obvious – defending oneself is saying “hey, here’s what we did – it’s crazy to suggest that it motivated everyone – let’s think of the victims and the motives and truth will come out with time”. Instead, she fired with that bizarre speech with the “blood libel” comment. Now, I don’t think she should be marked down for the historical nature of the term…my goodness, this is lady who couldn’t name a US newspaper, couldn’t name a Supreme Court decision (outside of R v Wade), and thought it was legitimate foreign policy to live close to Russia. So I don’t blame her for the use of the term. I do think though, while politicians everywhere stayed above the fray and called for unity and calm, she looked to score political points and divide people.
EGV,
I would argue it was the people who accused Palin and brought her into this situation that sought to divide. Check out the Sunday funnies for 1/16.
Mary –
To a point, I’d agree with you, but there’s a difference between leaders, media, and the public. Within the public and the media, you’ll always have those who push the envelope. Leaders are different, or should be different. To me, Palin showed why she isn’t a true leader through this all.
Doesn’t address the issue EGV. Palin was brought into this situation by the hysterical baseless blatherings of the left and finally spoke up. I hope you would do no different were you falsely accused.
Mary –
Palin was brought into it by a handful of people (media), and instead of rising above and handling with class, she fell beneath. Hey, I’m sure some agree with you – I’ve seen a lot of commentary that agrees with me as well.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2011/01/16/rs.palin.obama.speech.cnn?hpt=C2
EGV,
Are you aware that death threats against Palin increased after this “handful of people” brought her into it. You might blame them as it was never her choice to be dragged into it. How Gov.Palin handled it is a matter of perspective. Any comment on the political cartoon on Jill’s 1/16 post suggesting Palin may be indirectly responsible for the shooting?