Movie, “Gates of Hell”: What happens when blacks learn the truth about the abortion agenda
6/8, 10:40a: More here, including another trailer.
6/6, 9:43a: by Carder
This movie ain’t about not caring about white children. This movie ain’t about blaming white folks. There’s a far bigger picture.
To these white conservatives in question, don’t ya’ll screw this up for us! Ya’ll sit yo’ behind down and shut up!
~ AlfonZo Rachel, of the conservative website PJTV, explaining the purpose behind the upcoming abortion thriller movie, Gates of Hell, June 4 [quote at 5:07]
More on the movie from WND.com:
[Molotov] Mitchell’s Illuminati Pictures has teamed with Finnish filmmaker Ani Juva to create Gates of Hell, a shocking new movie that projects into a possible near future the rage of America’s black community after realizing how its children have been exterminated by abortion.
“Three years in the making, Gates of Hell is a documentary from the year 2016 that chronicles the crimes of a band of domestic terrorists known as the Zulu 9,” the film’s website explains. “Ani Juva travels to the United States to better understand the mysterious black-power assassins, the bizarre eugenics conspiracy theory that drove them to commit extreme acts of violence and how America’s political landscape was transformed forever. Blending real history and real public figures with a fictitious (yet plausible) future, it is safe to say that you have never seen a film like Gates of Hell.”
Here’s the trailer:
[vimeo width=”500″ height=”300″]http://vimeo.com/24242550[/vimeo]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Is this movie a joke????
this is despicable… first of all its not ‘blacks’ its Black People.
This is the most offensive thing i’ve ever seen……. “Blending real history and real public figures with a fictitious (yet plausible) future, it is safe to say that you have never seen a film like Gates of Hell.”
Plausible!?!? My mouth is on the floor… racist! and will not bring a single black person to your cause
I don’t see the trailer where it says “Here’s the trailer”..?
To Lana: A bit defensive, are we? Why don’t you try watching the movie first before passing judgment? Or are you afraid that this movie might cause a few Black women to choose life?
despicable? how about over half the black babies in NYC being aborted? THAT is despicable
Ooooh!!! Can’t wait!!!
Offensive?
The targeting of low income, minority communities by PP is offensive!
Wow. The violence is pretty scary and seems like it is right out of the anti-life script for prolife. While the film may be very different, this trailer seems like a “call to action” that no legitimate prolifer would support. I pray this film can lead to productive, peaceful, respectful dialog but to be honest I don’t see how).
Cathy, sorry, the trailer’s back..
As for terminology, Lana, see Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/poll/28816/black-african-american.aspx. “Black People” isn’t an option, nor is “black” capitalized.
I’ve discussed terminology with Alveda King, and she recommended using the terms “black” and “African-American” interchangeably.
Interesting concept. I hope to go and see it for myself. Maggie Sanger and her bully baby killing thugs at PPF have been killing black babies for decades. Seeing as how we’re all equal in God’s eyes I see no problem with conservatives supporting this. The huge majority of Conservatives are NOT racist. It’s the finger pointing libs who are. Why else would they support the murder of unborn babies and blacks being a huge part of it. The anti-lifers are not going to like this. Don’t care.
Sorry Stanek crew, but there’s nothing pro-life about this movie or the scenes that I saw. Particularly the flash I saw that said it was the “punishment of God.” Yikes! The underlying message is absolutely true, that black babies are targeted and exterminated but to portray the murder of abortionists as “justice” and the punishment of God should not sit well with us. Murder begets murder begets murder begets murder…
I suppose that’s the point they’re trying to make, but I would not rally around this movie. We will never, ever eliminate abortion with violence. We will never convince anyone that abortion is wrong through violence. We cannot use Satan’s weapons against him. I think this movie actually has a unique and provocative premise and I’d love to see it explored in a different way.
Thanks for posting the link to that Gallup poll, Jill. I’ve wondered about that myself.
I’m pretty concerned about pro-choice people accusing pro-lifers of creating a movie that glorifies terrorism against abortionists. I’m trying to withhold judgement until I see the film, but the trailer has me worried.
At the very least, I think it would be wise for pro-lifers to refrain from posting this all over their facebook walls and blogs until we know more.
I’m no fan of abortion, but my question is are they saying that killing off those who perform abortions will be gunned down or are they promoting gunning them down? The trailer gives what appears to be a questionable message and I’m not sure that’s the message we pro-lifers want to give. I don’t want to promote gunning down abortion providers because I don’t think that’s the way to promote the pro-life message. I think they’re saying is what can happen, but at the same time they don’t make that entirely clear in the trailer itself.
I watched the whole clip, commentary + trailer + commentary. I recommend you do the same before judging.
If this movie grows legs, it WILL start people talking, I guarantee that. People do love action movies and controversy. Now, we could write a whole thread on movies that glorify violence (and you probably will) but watching “Dead Presidents” for example didn’t make me think bank robbing was a lucrative career with a good retirement plan. So, maybe this movie will use violence as part of it’s narrative, and that alone will be offensive to some. But I for one am going to wait and see the film.
Hey guys.
Before writing off the trailer, it would help listening to Zo’s rant and look at it through his perspective.
He performs in the film, so his take is interesting to say the least.
View it by clicking on the “explaining the purpose” hyperlink.
Ok, Ninek beat me to it. Thanks Ninek.
Zo, in his hilarious homeboy way, makes the case that if there are whites to be blamed, (which there are), it has to be the democrats. He’s saying that, not me.
It’s bound to infuriate more than a few people.
There are two things that really concern me about this film.
First, assuming that the white conservatives Zo is worried about do shut up and let the film speak for itself, I noticed that both the producer and director–the two most powerful people on a film set–are white. There are liberals who are going to jump all over that calling it exploitation, and saying that this is just white people building up the “scary black man” stereotype even further than it already has been.
Second, much more seriously, and as several people have already mentioned, the plot seems to play exactly into the pro-abortion talking points about “pro-life violence.” I understand that there is a what-if scenario being enacted, but it is precisely this what-if scenario that abortion defenders have been using to scare people away from the pro-life side for years.
I’m going to withhold full judgement until I see the film. Maybe it’s actually amazing and the trailer doesn’t entirely do it justice. But, like those who’ve made this point already, I’m concerned.
Quoting Zo:
“We’re trying to connect conservative values, values that alot of non-whites have.
The thing is, they don’t want their values to be associated with white people. I know, it’s sad, aint’ it?
‘Hey, our values are pretty much the same but I don’t want anybody else to know that, because you’re white’.
They’re mad about prejudice, yet they’re prejudiced!”
Ashley,
You have been banned from commenting here. You know this. You continue to post comments that will not be published.
What a piece of crap! This thing, whatever it is, is not going to impress either the pro-“choice” or the pro-life crowd. (I am 100% pro-life, by the way.)
I think the film is meant to explosive, controversial, and in-your-face. I doubt the film-makers are advocating violent attacks on abortionists. From listening to the commentary about the film and Alfonzo Rachel’s “vision” for it, it is a portrait of a fictional, dystopian future (based on a very tragic, current reality). I’m very interested in seeing how this film will unfold. Though it will undoubtedly be misunderstood, I know it will get people talking.
But, like those who’ve made this point already, I’m concerned.
Ditto.
I’ve been watching Zo for awhile on PJTV and I think he has a good head on his shoulders. Unfortunately, I don’t live by any city where this will be shown, but a lot of people just don’t want to believe that PP targets certain groups of people and this hopefully will get some facts through to them. Good timing, considering what’s going on politically with PP right now.
My husband hates violence and bad language and won’t watch many movies, but that is forgiven if it’s a war movie – and this is WAR on the unborn.
You couldn’t pay me to see this movie. Propaganda at it’s best. Reminds me of WWII type agenda. Good luck with your cause.
Satire?
Remind anyone else of Eric Rudolph? If we get color-blind, his approach would seem to be the same philosophy presented in this trailer: killing the killer is a higher good.
If it’s meant seriously to stir white America about our complacency (which seriously needs to happen), it won’t fly since it plays into the hands of pro-choicers whose strongest defense is that ALL pro-lifers support violent murderers of abortionists. The killing of George Tiller and the recent arrest in FL
of a man threatening abortionist and staff are too fresh for us to say anti-abortion violence is in the past.
If it’s meant as a sharp stick to pro-choicers, it simply verifies their stereotype of intolerance and extremism.
Too muddled–all people who uphold life would have to decry this message. It alientates its own base.
Don’t get me started on the spiritual problems of representing the One who said, “I am the Life” by killing and violence.
I have to admit that the violence this film promotes is cause for concern, but I guess I have to see it before making a judgment
I love how all the pro-lifers here are concerned with even the APPEARANCE of advocating violence against abortionists. It just illustrates the truly non-violent nature of our movement.
I think the pro-choice commenters would be surprised/amazed.
Peg, I doubt many of them, if any, will be surprised. I am sure they think either 1) we are lying or 2) we are the exception and the violent pro-lifers are the norm. Unfortunate but accurate.
+1 to Peg!
I want to like this movie. Reflecting on the riots and domestic terrorism of the 1960’s civil rights era — there were small, revolutionary groups striking terror in the nation. And then Dr. King showed us an army of marching Black citizens, offering peace to the nation in the demand for justice.
My hope: That this movie reminds the abortion culture that their killing of children and injury to women DESERVES a violent response. I pray that there is no violence…. and I hope that it underscores how much the pro-life movement wants justice without the violence.
Just like Dr. King showed us how much his non-violent Marchers demanded peace and justice for all.
Not watching the trailer – I think I’ve released enough stress hormones for one day – but regardless of what’s in it, I’d rather see a re-release/wider release of Maafa 21. That movie really spells out the connections between eugenics, abortion, and Planned Parenthood’s focused efforts on black people. Anybody else watch M21? (The whole thing is on YouTube.)
I’ll withhold judgment until I see the movie, but I’m concerned too. I get that they’re trying to show an alternate (but plausible) reality without necessarily endorsing it, but I think that kind of nuance will get lost in the din of controversy. I’m hard-core pro-life and frankly I have no problem with violent movies (even extremely violent ones), but this rubs me the wrong way (again based on the trailer).
I am amazed and enthused about this movie. I may even consider becoming a producer.
While, I don’t support violence, I understand it’s importance. Remember, during the civil rights era the forces that were opposed to change were more willing to work with Martin Luther King because they were afraid of Malcolm X.
“Remember, during the civil rights era the forces that were opposed to change were more willing to work with Martin Luther King because they were afraid of Malcolm X.”
What sort of research do you have to back up that statement? Sounds like bs to me.
I’m no more willing to prove to you that water is wet. It’s just how it was.
I’ve watched that guy’s videos on YT before. He’s awesome!
I well remember the era of Malcolm X and how he was viewed as so dangerous and radical in that era. Now I think most people, myself included, believe he made a lot of sense. By today’s standards he is hardly radical. He advocated self reliance, self defense, self respect, and personal responsiblity. He was a responsible husband and father. He became disillusioned with the moral corruption of the leader of the Nation of Islam. One could almost argue he was a conservative.
I am really concerned when the impression is that people are or should kill abortionists. We are Pro-Life – and while making the case that black genocide should not be tolerated, violence to that end should not be encouraged, tolerated or glamorized. I hope I read that wrong in the trailer I looked at.
We can not tolerate any violence to any one. I hope I saw this wrong, but before I could encourage anyone to see the film or use it as a teaching tool or opening anyone’s eyes to the fact of black genocide, I have to be sure it’s all pro-life.
Hope everything is all good, but frankly, I’m worried. We’ll see…. I suppose there is time for editing if needed.
Lord – help this movie be all YOU wish it to be, in the right way, in the right manner, in the right message.
I’m a black pro-lifer and I don’t care for the implication made by the creator of the film at the beginning of this clip. She mentions Freakonomics (and the author’s assertion that abortion lowers the crime rate) and then immediately segues into a discussion about black people–as if black people are the only ones who commit crimes. As a whole, poverty has more of a connection with criminal activity than race (though I’m not saying that only poor people should be painted as criminals in the media either). I’m just a little tired of people ignoring the fact that lawbreakers come in all colors. Abortion is wrong, but it is also a wrong (or at least a bit problematic) to think that all of the violent people who were aborted were black.
@Danielle,
That is precisely the implication from Freakonomics. Minority communities are disproportionately affected by crime and they are disproportionately represented in the abortion numbers.
When they say that the abortions performed from 1973-1978 led to a lower crime rate from 1991-1996, they are implying the black babes.
WOW an entire movie based on an Anti-choice lie… From what I see it is a call to terrorist actions against low income abortion providers. The whole Idea of Black Genocide through abortion is a 100% fabricated lie and now there will be a movie based on a lie that will incite violence. Pro-Choice people did not bring black people to the US in ships. We did not enslave them to do our work for us. That was done by rich white Christians from the southern states. Most importantly we have no racially motivated agenda when it comes to abortions. Minorities make up the largest portion of low income American citizens and that also has nothing to do with abortions, but rather rich people’s favorite form of economics… trickle down.
You see it is not a black vs. white thing it is a rich vs. poor thing. Low income women’s health clinics are placed in low income areas of any given town regardless of ethnicity of local residents. You will find women’s health clinics in low income areas that are dominated by white people as well. You don’t see too many women’s health clinics in rich neighborhoods because they have private insurance that covers their abortions with no questions asked and their private doctors get them discrete abortion services. Also they have the money to go to any abortion doctor they choose. This is classic rich man propaganda to keep the middle and low income people in this country fighting amongst themselves over race, political alignments, and sexual orientation, so they ignore the fact that the rich are taking all the damn money.
Trying to incite racial tensions to further your own anti-abortion agenda is about as low as you can go. I know you guys all say that you do not support people like Scott Roder but this type of propaganda is what leads people like him to commit violence. Whenever you demonize one group of people it makes it easier to view them as less worthy than yourself and makes it easier to commit crime against them. If you continue to demonize doctors that offer abortion services then more doctors will be killed. Period end of story. If this type of propaganda is not stopped we will see even more doctors and clinic staff assaulted and maybe killed.
There is a heated debate in this country about the legality and morality of abortion, however there is no need for a debate to call what Scott Roder and other like him did… Murder in the first degree.
I have never seen a movie trailer that was so racist and dangerous. This production company should be shut down or at least banned in the USA. They can ban 2 Live Crew but this type of racist incitement of violence is not only ok but embraced by the Anti-choice movement. Sick.
And of course, they’re using faulty logic. There is no proof of a connection between abortion and crime. You could just as easily imply a connection between the inches of rain in 1978 to the crime rate in 1996.
However, without resorting to statistics, I do think that the abortion rate has directly affected the deaths of pregnant women. 200 years ago, women who gave birth faced risks during childbirth. Now, in 2011, we have technology, antibiotics, blood banks, etc. that can help a mother survive a risky delivery so mothers don’t die in childbirth even a fraction as often as they used to.
However, the leading cause of death of pregnant women has become homocide. Is this related to abortion? YES. Yes, men who rely on abortion to evade responsibility indeed have become more violent to the women who dare let their children live. Lacey Peterson, case in point.
@Biggz,
You are lying. It’s not by accident that most stand along abortion facilities are located in poor and minority areas. It’s because you locate a business near the segment of the population that you most want to serve.
This film was not written, directed, or produced by any of the ‘usual suspects’ in the pro-life movement. This is their own thing.
Abortion advocates can whine all they want. You keep killing small children and tell us who the bullies are.
I watched both trailers and I can’t say I feel very good about this film from what I saw. It seems to be hinting loudly that a violent black insurgency against abortionists will finally outlaw abortion. Even if the film ends up delivering a more peaceful message, the movie trailers alone might trigger some nutcases to open fire on an abortion clinic. I’m a sidewalk counselor in a minority neighborhood, and I’m NOT PLEASED AT ALL with these movie trailers.
I can’t wait to see the reaction of PP when they see this. Priceless.
the movie trailers alone might trigger some nutcases to open fire on an abortion clinic.
We could say this about any topic that a movie addresses. I can’t wait until this movie comes out.
I disagree with the notion that they’re nutcases. They’re misguided. Their actions are penny-wise and pound foolish. They may stop one abortionist, but they make the fight to stop the rest more difficult.
I disagree with the notion that they’re nutcases. They’re misguided. Their actions are penny-wise and pound foolish.
Murder is never “wise.” Murder is murder, even when the people being murdered are really, really bad ones. The pro-life movement is not at war, it is engaged in social justice advocacy. Violence is not an acceptable tool for such a cause, regardless of how bad the people being violated are.
Full. Freaking. Stop.
We most certainly are at war, there are over a million casualties every year. Violence is counter-productive because it makes the war less winnable.
When I first saw this trailer over on Bob Parks’ website http://www.black-and-right.com I was also a little concerned (actually, more confused because I didn’t realize what I was watching until I started reading the comments) by the violent stance.
However, as someone who has followed and respected the works of both Bob Parks (who is also featured in this movie) and AlfonZo Rachel for several years now, I am looking forward to seeing the full film and seeing the full impact of the message they are creating.
This is a movie from the black conservative community, and in many ways it is for the black community at large, to awaken them to the realization that by continuing to re-elect liberals who pretend to care, who pretend to take care of them, who insult them by acting as if they are incapable of standing up and caring for themselves…. they are destroying their own community.
While I second the idea that M21 deserves a far wider screening, this is going to catch the attention of those who may not give M21 the time necessary to make its case. It may be sad to say, but gaining the attention of the audience in question by the intensity and violence may be the only way that some people will ever have their eyes open to the evil truth.
When I was a nursing student I had to sit through multiple people’s presentations about the “amazing and wonderful” M. Sanger. It made me want to puke. And I gained more than one enemy in my class of students by loudly and vociferously pointing out during the discussion period that followed that she was a racist, evil eugenicist who agreed with the work of Adolf Hitler and deserved no commendation… only condemnation!
Is the abortionist killer going to be portrayed as a genocide stopping hero or a homocidal terrorist? And do the makers of the film care or do they just want your eight bucks? It will only help the cause if the movie exposes enough open minded people to the dark side of Sanger and eugenics. The movie could also help if it exposes abortionists as the lowest life form known to humanity and the vilest scum on the face of the earth.
Lana,
I find your remarks about being the voice of what black people think extremely condescending. Let us make our own minds up.
You’ve got to be kidding.The only thing this movie could help to accomplish is confirming the fact that pro-lifers are a joke. Good luck with your movement lol.
oh and i an actual black person as well as my friends and colleagues who have seen this website agree with lana
This movie is certainly not the best way to gain African American support on the pro-life fight. I doubt most African Americans will take the film seriously, especially since the producer and director are both white.
Three trolls have posted here comment saying “good luck with your movement” or “your cause.” Perhaps that’s because they didn’t really watch the commentary by AlfonZo Rachel. But they have aptly identified the pro-life effort as a movement.
If I may quote Carla here:
Abortion is an industry. Pro-life is a movement.
wow..this is trash!! and a HUGE joke. Who in their right mind would want to be a part of or support such nasty racist trash??
Nakir Al-Hakim – No. They put clinics where they are most needed. Low income clinics are needed in the low income areas of any given town because most low income people do not have health insurance to cover things like cancer screenings, pap’s, STD screenings and treatments, pregnancy tests, and vasectomies. If you think there is a racial component to where women’s health clinics are located then you need to do more research than what the anti-choice people have lead you to believe.
Using term like WAR to describe a political argument is also quite hyperbolic. Choose your words a bit better sir.
MEL – Thank you for speaking out about the obvious potential for inciting violence this movie is likely to create against law abiding citizens.
Elisabeth – How many more lies are you going to promote. What this movie and Maafa21 do is to take a skewed set of statistics and try to make a racial argument out of nothing. If it is the abortion industry “which is a lie in itself” plan to just kill minority fetuses then why are there PP clinics in Kentucky, Connecticut, and other states with very low numbers of minorities? Or better yet why are there PP clinics in low income white areas? You know it is a lie but you love to hate abortion and people who protect it as a woman’s right. The worst thing is that you can see the potential for massive violence with this type of lie but you continue to promote it because you think it is a black eye on the face of abortion, no matter how many people get hurt, or how that violence will hurt your movement. Lastly any time someone brings up Hitler in a comment you know they have reached the bottom of their barrel of knowledge and have no other recourse so they just throw out the most evil person they can think of…
Truthseeker – Do you really think what Margret Sanger said shortly after the turn of the 20th century has anything to do with what Planned Parenthood does today? Do you think that PP has some secret Sanger hand shake? As I have stated before, I work across the street from a PP clinic in a minority part of my city and I see just as many white people go in there as any other ethnic group. I watch it every day. Every time I have been in a PP clinic for my wife, daughter, or myself “all white” I have seen just as many white people in there as minorities. Poverty has no skin color…
Ninek – Anti-choice is a movement, Abortion is a medical procedure approved by the US Supreme Court, the American Medical Association, and the majority of doctors in this country. The medical industry is a industry…. Continue to demonize away if it makes you feel better but, don’t confuse that with the truth.
Dragonfly – Yep potentially dangerous trash. Low life’s trying to make money off of racial tensions perpetuated by a racist anti-choice lie! “Just send us money and you too can be a gutter trash movie producer…” Pretty sick stuff huh?
I love how this is Jill’s answer to the flak she’s getting over her clear racism. Gag.
Biggz — I certainly could not have said it any better than you did. I’m glad people see through this and realize that it’s just racist propaganda.
Hi Ashtar, could you please point out some examples of Jill’s “clear racism?”
Hahaha! Wow the pro-death trolls are wide awake and spitting out venom. Not in favor of any violence toward abortionists so I’m not sure what I will think of this movie. The “Gates of Hell” title sound pretty appropriate though.
@Biggz,
You are lying again. According to Guttmacher 58% of women who have abortions have incomes above the federal poverty level. They locate the clinics in minority areas, because since its inception Planned Parenthood has had the goal of reducing the number of black people in the United States.
30% of abortions are obtained by black women. 25% of abortions are obtained by hispanic women, despite the fact that hispanics vastly outnumber blacks in the US. 36% of abortions are obtained by white women, again despite the fact that they outnumber black women by a wide margin.
It’s not just scared young girls getting abortions, 57-58% of all abortions in the US are obtained by women between the ages of 20 and 29.
These statistics come from a pro-abortion organization, not any pro-lifer.
I’m not talking about women’s health care, I’m talking about abortion. For 70 years they have been trying to exterminate us. Fortunately, they haven’t succeeded.
So glad to see my two favorite Conservative activists combining your talents doing Gods work! A Dynamic Duo and hope to see much more collaboration between both Molotov and Alfonso!
Nakir Al-Hakim – No sir I am not lying. You are simply reading the stats incorrectly….
58% of women who have abortion are above the poverty line and those are not the women we are talking about. Those women have health insurance and can get an abortion from their personal doctor or any clinic they want. Those women are not the concern of Planned Parenthood.
30% of abortions are requested by black women. 25% of abortions are requested by Hispanic women. 45% of abortions are requested by white women. What race is having more pregnancies aborted?
Planned Parenthood was founded as a birth control organization and it still is as only 5% of what they do is abortions. Margret Sanger never promoted abortion, only birth control as a method to free women from being a man’s barefoot pregnant baby machine, which at the time was the main reason women could not get educated even close to the level of men. Also when it comes to the black community “such as it was back then” Margret Sanger tried to help women of all colors to have access to birth control. You have to understand that Margret Sanger was put in prison for talking to a married woman about birth control on a public sidewalk if that gives you any idea of the oppression women faced back then. I am sure you have read her quote out of context and without proper historical reflection in regards to the state of racism and who actually controlled the law making in the south.
Planned Parenthood is a low income women’s health clinic for women who do not have medical insurance “not the 58% above poverty”. They collect federal funds, private donations, and corporate donations to keep the cost of their services on a sliding scale, meaning that the less money you make the less you have to pay for their services, and in a lot of cases they are seen, treated, and given medication for free that has nothing to do with abortion or birth control. That is why they are a non-profit organization. Yes I agree that in the low income bracket there is a disproportionate amount of minority pregnancies being terminated, but that is because there is a disproportionate number of minorities in that low income bracket to begin with and that had nothing to do with Planned Parenthood. That has always been the fault of rich white Christians, you know the people who bought the slaves to begin with.
Your rage is justified sir. It is just pointed in the wrong direction.
That 5% line is just that, a line. For example, if one woman comes in and gets a pregnancy test (not pregnant), a pap test and leaves with contraception while another woman comes in for a pregnancy test (pregnant) and gets an abortion, they will claim only 20% of their service was abortion when in reality 50% of the women who came in got abortions.
Sanger said “Colored people are like human weeds and are to be
exterminated.”
Sanger should have been executed for crimes against humanity, incarceration was exceptionally lenient.
Her intent was clear.
Calling Planned Parenthood a non-profit is deceptive. By non-profit, that means that they do not distribute profits to shareholders, planned parenthood has a positive cash flow. Planned Parenthood makes money from killing babies, disproportionately black and brown babies.
Nakir,
That means they commit abortion on one of every 20 ‘clients’ who walk through gates of hell and into Planned Parenthood. You will find that Biggz won’t have a discussion about his ‘only 5% of Planned Parenthood services is commiting abortion’ line.
Hey Biggz. What percent of Planned Parenthoods ‘revenue’ comes from commiting abortion? ‘crickets’
I find this discussion funny. Everyone here seems to be throwing around statistics about abortion with absolutely no proof of their statistical data.
Um, Biggz, first of all, tell me what lies I told…. I didn’t make any of the comments that you went off on in your little direct comment to me… all I said was that I am familiar with the work of two of the people involved in the project, respect them, and am willing to give the movie a fair chance based upon that. I also said that it was aimed at a different demographic than M21.
Secondly, I wasn’t randomly throwing out Hitler. Sanger actually WENT to Germany and met with the man in person and then came back to the U.S. and raved about his ideas. It isn’t the bottom of the barrel thinking to associate Hitler with people and ideas he was actually associated with…
Hey, it’s a futuristic action MOVIE with a political point of view we’ve not seen before. I like what AlfonZo said about white people cooling it on this one andletting black people take the lead. Wouldn’t that be wonderful! I’m ready to sit back and let Black people finish the civil rights movement. There are beautiful leaders ready to do it. Black conservatives have the potential of turning this country around.
The movie is futuristic fiction mixed with fact and this is not the first time this technique as been used. Actually, as a conservative, AlfonZo sees what thought processes it might spark. Not to violence, but to seeing the brainwashing that that left has perpetrated on his people.
As an Irish Catholic (ancestors never were slave holders) who’s father belonged to one of the Hollywood unions busted by Ronald Reagan, I had the same brainwashing – the pro-life movement is what woke me up to the lies of the left and my college professors. Still, I was 40 before I stopped voting for pro-choice politicians.
That’s what’s going on here with this movie (hope it’s good). It’s about breaking ranks with the leftist dogma.
The movie is a DRAMA about the anger erupting from the realization your people have been hoodwinked by those who claimed to be charitably motivated – for generations.
We love action and spy movies etc. This one has the kind of premise I’ve been waiting for – one in which violence is caused not by drug or arms dealing or terrorists, but by rebellion against eugenic social engineering.
@Charlene, how’s this for proof of my statistical data?
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The guttmacher institute is a pro-abortion group.
@Nakir Al-Hakim
Sorry, but your source is a nonprofit agency; they have an agenda.
Try providing a source from this website next time.
http://library.stmarytx.edu/acadlib/doc/electronic/dbhealth.htm
Quoth W.E.B. Dubois, prominent black intellectual and civil rights activist: “The mass of ignorant Negroes still breed carelessly and disastrously, so that the increase among Negroes, even more than the increase among whites, is from that part of the population least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear their children properly.”
So Dubois himself was an arrogant classist. What do we do with this? We acknowledge it, put it in its historical context, and don’t let it color the good he accomplished. Margaret Sanger had ties to the eugenics movement, which, no duh, seems pretty awful in this day and age. But put in its proper historical context, this thinking wasn’t all that uncommon in an era where racism, classism, xenophobia, sexism were all rampant.
If somebody quotes from Du Bois’ “The Souls of Black Folk,” are you going to scream hysterically that this person hates poor people? Most people would think that you’re just stupid.
Dubois was a communist. Part of the social upheaval that Margaret Sanger sprang from. She took one course, he another.
Both part of the whole early 20th Century ferment that got the rest of the century unhinged from God and any kind of traditional social values. Margaret Meade, John Dewey – everyone trying to social engineer us, using junk science (including junk “scientific understandings of history) towards their own versions of man-made utopia.
As prolifers, our social critique needs to broaden to understand that the acceptance of abortion is part of the whole warping of the psyche that started with our grandparents and great-grandparents as the elite of their time brought us into this Brave New “modern” world.
There were agendas being played out – based on the premise that, first, man is the judge of all things – there are no objective moral truths to guide humanity. It’s whatever the latest “scientists” reveal. Margaret Meade’s research in Samoa, supposedly showing that tribal people (natural man) have a much looser attitude towards premarital sex, was based on lies told to her by her informants (this is what they’ve told us as old ladies).
Margaret Sanger hung out with all the cool Greenwich Village intellectual elite and then got even cooler when she travelled to Europe and met what’s his name, the sexologist. She used her rich husband’s money to spread her ideas.
Today, there are legitimate, moral ways to limit the sizes of families, but Sanger’s descendants ignore them, preferring ways that won’t challenge their dogma of promiscuity for all, and ignoring the humanity of zygotes.
Would that Maafa 21 could get the same amount of attention. The stats are horrible enough all by themselves, yet people don’t respond to the facts — they just write them off as “propaganda,” or they miss the point totally (as have a number of commenters here, in my opinion). What people do respond to is a message that hooks emotions — especially anger and fear. Therefore Gates of Hell.
My biggest concern about Gates of Hell is that the government will find a way to ban it or get it classified as “hate speech” so that no one will ever see it. Gates of Hell could become a symbol like the TV ad from Lyndon Johnson’s campaign that never aired — the one that implied that voting for Goldwater was voting for nuclear war. My best hope is that people will see the movie as some kind of science fiction, not as a call to violent action, and at the same time “get” the message that wholesale slaughter of the unborn is even more horrible.
In the meantime, I’m going to honor AlfonZo’s request while I continue my own peaceful witness for life.
It’s ART. Is it not reasonable to infer that the basic notion the film makers are attempting to convey is that black America should be LIVID with the current state of affairs? If this film achieves that end with even a handful of blacks, it will have done its job. Reasonable viewers clearly understand that non-violence is paramount.
@Biggz undermines his/her entire argument by advocating for the shuttering of the production company and censorship of the film’s message. Biggz does not want to have to engage in the realm of ideas, so he would rather they not be thrown in his/her face. Only those who agree with him/her are allowed to communicate ideas on this subject of debate. Classic totalitarianism.
Biggz admits that “Minorities make up the largest portion of low income American citizens” but then discounts the relevance of that stat as an oddity of reaganonomics. But I’d ask Biggz to forget his slanted view on Reaganonomics, and focus on the absolute numbers. There are many more poor white people than there are poor blacks or hispanics, despite percentages. But in absolute terms, minorities are having more abortions. How is this possible? Why does this not at least make Biggz ask, “Why?”?
Biggz then continues with a bunch of general statements about things “you will” find if you look around for the locations of abortion clinics. That’s pretty weak stuff, Biggz.
Biggz then asserts that the intent of the film is to incite racial tension, presumably between whites and blacks. Interesting take. Since it is art, I’d say it’s open to interpretation. How’s this interpretation, Biggz? The film’s intent is to create awareness. Don’t Liberals use “extreme” tactics all the time to “create awareness” about certain issues dear to them? Are people who disagree with you not allowed to use the same tactic? We already have Biggz’s answer to that question, since s/he openly advocates for the silencing of those with differing opinions.
Biggz then attempts to use a scare tactic. ”People will be killed!” if anyone sees this movie. Really? So you’re arguing FOR the legal murder of children, but AGAINST the right of people to see a film? Biggz, do you see the irony there? I’m guessing not.
Later Biggz cites the notion of “need” as the reason for the location of abortion clinics. I’d ask, though, if people who live in areas that are “underserved” by a market provider of some good or service that they “need” manage to procure that need? I am certain that they do. They certainly manage to procure the things that they merely “want.” There is not a Coach or Louis Vuitton boutique near my ‘hood, but an abundance of $300 purses parade by me daily. You see, Biggz, Coach and Louis will never open a shop in Anacostia, DC. They know that to do so would be suicide for them. But the Chinese takeout will not lose market cache by opening its doors. Neither, apparently, has Planned Parenthood. Until now.
Let me ask, Biggz, would it be so horrible if a woman and her husband or boyfriend had to travel a bit further to procure something they “need” so desperately? Perhaps they may think about how much they actually “need” it given the added investment of time and travel.
Kentucky and Connecticut have areas of high density minority populations. Ever been to Yale? (doubtful) Ever been to Jefferson or Fayette Counties in KY? or Hartford or New Haven in CT? Would you like to take bets on whether those areas are well represented by Planned Parenthood? Are you attempting to misuse Synocdoche to obfuscate statistics? I certainly hope that is not the case.
Biggz clearly holds deep seated antipathy toward white people. And Christians. This animus clearly colors her/his ability to observe reality. At once s/he decries the fomenting of racial tension and blames rich white people (long dead, might I add) for all current racial and economic tension, as if nothing else has happened in the interim 400 years. Trying to have nuance and eat it too.
No one here will succeed in opening Biggz’s eyes to alternative explanations of history because s/he has clearly been Howard Zinnified by marxist collegiate history professors. S/he is a lost cause.
As a Black person who used to run with the Black Panthers and as a member of Feminists for Life I have fasted openly against this sin, picketed abortion clinics, been arrested for sit ins in clinics, debated members of Planned Parenthood and fought like crazy against this whole madness. I am willing to do that until Jesus returns but the bottom line is: what does God want?
Back in the 1800s it was slavery. It took the Great Awakening of that century, Uncle Tom’s Cabin and the Civil WAR to destroy the institution of slavery. Did Christians back then hesitate to go to WAR to destroy slavery? Yes, they did. But they did it anyway and I for one am glad that they did!
I hope that it will not take death and bloodshed to stop the murder of innocent children of any color. I pray that people will wake up and stop this madness. BUT history has shown us that there are only two ways to stop evil-repent and use nonviolent commitment to gain healing and peace OR take up arms and slay those who would kill the helpless. In our history as Americans, we have done both. How we choose on this issue will make all the difference in the world for us as a nation. But make NO mistake about it-GOD IS GOING TO STOP THIS KILLING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. Either WE do it with prayer, repentance and healing or guns, war and violence OR God will rain down His judgment on us all for allowing this to happen.
We must remove this evil from our midst by peace or the sword or we will all suffer His wrath. One way or the other, abortion will go.
As for Black people being shown as thugs, etc, because this fictional film shows that we might be willing to stand up and stop the madness of abortion with a gun, that’s a knee jerk reaction, in my opinion. Were the Jews thugs when they did the Warsaw Ghetto resistance against the Nazis? Was the movie Inglorious Bastards wrong for showing a fictional solution to Hitler? Did that make white people look like thugs?
WHAT ARE WE AFRAID OF?
If this fictional film disturbs you because it is violent, just make sure the real violence of abortion disturbs you more.
“If this fictional film disturbs you because it is violent, just make sure the real violence of abortion disturbs you more. ”
I’d just like to say that Trimelda’s response is one of the best-balanced, insightful comments about “Gates” that I’ve heard yet. Trimelda, I’d love to hear more of your thoughts. Do you already have a blog or a column? If you don’t, you should! Thank you for your thoughtful AND thought-provoking response.
-Molotov Mitchell