Pro-life blog buzz 5-19-15
by Susie Allen, host of the blog, Pro-Life in TN, and Kelli
- Americans United for Life urges pastors in Illinois to address a new bill from the pulpit:
Illinois SB 1564, a bill that would dramatically reduce the state’s conscience protections for health care providers and pro-life pregnancy centers, continues to advance.Yesterday, the House Committee on Human Services voted along party lines to advance this dangerous bill to the House floor. If the bill passes the House, it will go to Governor Rauner for consideration.
Download the Pastor’s Briefing Book on SB 1564 here.
- Clinic Quotes shares a statement from Students for Life of America executive director Kristan Hawkins that gets it right about activism on college campuses. This is the pro-life generation:
[The pro-abortion groups] are dead. There is nothing going on. The only time we see them is when they are reacting to a Students for Life event.
- At Ethika Politika, Michael Bradley reviews the book Beyond the Abortion Wars: A Way Forward for a New Generation, by Charles Camosy. He says he read it “with high hopes and low expectations” but ended up calling it “challenging and provocative”:
Camosy juxtaposes different facets of the “abortion wars” phenomenon that taken together make for an articulate, nuanced, and comprehensive argument for how to think holistically about it. His calls for new policies that reflect a trending pro-life American consensus may prove prophetic. His is an accessible but challenging and provocative book that everyone with an interest in abortion ought to read.
- Culture Campaign shows us that pro-life views should be and are allowed in public schools. Fargo High School denied a pro-life club for students until lawyers from Thomas More Society showed them that their denial was unconstitutional. Said Jocelyn Floyd of TMS: “High-schoolers do not lose their right to form clubs and speak their message just because they are pro-life.”
- At Bound4Life, a pro-life OB-GYN in Tennessee responds to pro-abortion objections to a newly enacted abortion waiting period, explaining why waiting periods are important (and not just for abortion).
- At Live Action News, Calvin Freiburger reviews the legal case against abortion waiting periods, brought by a Satanist group who claims waiting periods violate their religion:
I focused on the difference from a natural-law perspective — i.e., that no religious belief can extend to violating another person’s life, liberty, or property, which abortion does… [and concluded that] regardless of whether we’re playing by originalist or contemporary rules, the Satanic Temple hasn’t a leg to stand on. Who would have guessed that a deal with the devil would leave pro-aborts empty-handed?
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I know these are all of course critical topics. Especially the weigh in from the Satanic Temple as it verifies the notable gaul of the Black Arts in attempting to infiltrate the mainstream… HOWEVER… is there anyone that knows what is going on exactly with the Supreme Court decision on the Discrimination Bill regarding Gay Marriage…
I am just imaging our troops coming back from combat overseas only to find out their family can get arrested if they do something that outrages a homosexual wedding ceremony.
You know… criminals getting away with murder because the police are being busied with arrest warrants pushed through at the Magistrates office by homosexual sympathasizers who hate this or that dissenter against gay marriage or who are using the upcoming Supreme Court ruling for, well you know… revenge.
There are alot of resources that are going to be sucked up in enforcing this country destroying charade, and while Obama uses the national prayer breakfast to admonish Christians for the Crusades to exhonerate muslim extremists committing acts of horror, our most courageous Christians stand no chance at not being discriminated by the anti-discrimination law they are considering passing. Is there anything going on? I mean, A boycott, nothing?
There was a news show devoted to the gay-marriage court case on Relevant Radio, yesterday.
Everyone expects the decision will be 5-4, with Justice Kennedy being the swing vote. No one knows how he will decide. He asked hard questions of both sides.
The decision might make gay-marriage the law of the land. Or they might leave it to each of the States to discern what sort of marriage rights should be extended beyond the realm of natural marriage.
There is no chance that marriage law will be restored to natural marriage.
Meanwhile, Illinois SB 1564.
The late Cardinal George of Chicago said this, just a few years ago:
“I expect to die in my bed. I expect that my successor will die in jail. And I expect that his successor will die in the streets, as a martyr.”
The insanity of our age is impossible to fathom. If the Culture of Death has their way, it will be illegal for us to practice charity! We could go to jail for helping people, with our donations and generosity.
Del: Everyone expects the decision will be 5-4, with Justice Kennedy being the swing vote. No one knows how he will decide. He asked hard questions of both sides.
His history is having pro-gay rights opinions, but I am sure that in this case he’s torn.
I am just imaging our troops coming back from combat overseas only to find out their family can get arrested if they do something that outrages a homosexual wedding ceremony. – well at least you recognize that it’s just an imagining.
You know… criminals getting away with murder because the police are being busied with arrest warrants pushed through at the Magistrates office by homosexual sympathasizers who hate this or that dissenter against gay marriage – what a fantasy!
or who are using the upcoming Supreme Court ruling for, well you know… revenge. – enforcing the law is not ‘revenge’.
There are alot of resources that are going to be sucked up in enforcing this country destroying charade, – by your side perhaps.
our most courageous Christians stand no chance at not being discriminated by the anti-discrimination law they are considering passing. – how many times does it need to be pointed out to you that all you are displaying is your attitude that “when we criticize and discriminate against you, we’re exercising our religious freedom. When you criticize us for discriminating against you, we’re being persecuted.”
Is there anything going on? I mean, A boycott, nothing? – well there are a few store owners who don’t seem to understand that restricting their customer base isn’t exactly good for business.
There’s never been a single, definitive ‘natural marriage’.
Already Fantasy, your detailed assaults are meant to suck up resources. If these were men and women defending our country it would be a different story. But they are not overseas building refugee camps.
They are paying for rainbow colored inflated condom billboards to promote contraception to children. (see Los Angeles “lifesaver” condom ad)
If they cared about human rights their efforts are sadly misplaced. I am grateful to Del. I will check out that radio show if I can find it online.
This is just crazy to me. Soldiers will come back from being shot at by the taliban only to come back to their parish priest having been arrested for not participating in a gay marriage.
… Or their wife or husband if they own a bakery, or a florist, or a pizza parlor… ect… the list goes on.
ALso, so many women are abused and assualted, and coerced into having abortions which is a sex crime and it is also a form of molestation. If these Fantasy types wanting to treat Marriage like a status symbol instead of the full time child creating / rearing job that it is especially for women, I don’t know if you won’t see more and more women killing themselves. The suicide rate for women who are post abortion is already like, six times higher.
Leave it to the states to decide. It’s a unrighteous thing to silence critics. Or self-righteous I should say.
If anyone is sucking up resources Angle, it is you with your fervent imaginings.
How do you know some of those men and women doing stuff overseas don’t support, monetarily even, safe sex campaigns?
If they cared about human rights their efforts are sadly misplaced – not at all.
their parish priest having been arrested for not participating in a gay marriage. – hasn’t happened. Won’t happen. Churches are NOT required to conduct weddings they don’t wish to. You simply invalidate your whole argument when you come out with such nonsense.
… Or their wife or husband if they own a bakery, or a florist, or a pizza parlor… ect… the list goes on. – none of theses people have been arrested. They’ve been rebuked the same way they would if they discriminated on the basis of race or gender. Because none of those discriminatory acts are justifiable in any way.
ALso, so many women are abused and assualted, and coerced into having abortions which is a sex crime and it is also a form of molestation. – abortion is a sex crime now? Many women are abused and assaulted without abortion having any relevance to the matter.
If these Fantasy types wanting to treat Marriage like a status symbol – something only becomes a status symbol if not everybody can access it or have it. So that’d be the likes of you being responsible if marriage is to be considered a ‘status symbol’.
<i< instead of the full time child creating / rearing job that it is especially for women, – so you’re another one of those who think that women who won’t or can’t have children shouldn’t be allowed to wed are you?
I don’t know if you won’t see more and more women killing themselves. – no, you don’t.
The suicide rate for women who are post abortion is already like, six times higher. – your source? And studies have not demonstrated abortion as being a cause.
Leave it to the states to decide. – too many are in the thrall of the loonie tunes brigade.
It’s a unrighteous thing to silence critics. Or self-righteous I should say. – then why do so?
Fantasy, You need to recognize the reality of this law… “admonishing” is not in the language of this ruling.
Anti-discrimination is all over it though, and thats what the problem is. It violates our freedom to object to your sins, and forces us to participate in it. Its not only participating in your hurtful actions towards yourself and others its forcing us to do so.
Gay is not the new Black. I am sorry, and it never will be.
Where did I mention “admonishing” Angles?
Anti-discrimination is all over it though, and thats what the problem is. which equates to “when we criticize and discriminate against you, we’re exercising our religious freedom. When you criticize us for discriminating against you, we’re being persecuted.”
It violates our freedom to object to your sins, – no it doesn’t. You can object all you want. But that’s all you’re entitled to do.
and forces us to participate in it. – you only have to sell a cake, not attend the wedding and eat a slice. There is no more justification for refusing service to a gay person than there is to someone of a particular race, faith or gender. Is that a ‘right’ you seek? Do you think you should be able to refuse service to a buddhist?
Its not only participating in your hurtful actions towards yourself and others its forcing us to do so. – the only hurtful action going on is your insistence that you be allowed to discriminate against others.
Gay is not the new Black. I am sorry, and it never will be. – it’s not the new feminism either. So what. It’s its own thing. Get used to it.
“It violates our freedom to object to your sins”
How? Has there been a court case in the US that I’m unaware of that prevents you from speaking about how you object to homosexuality? I mean, I know of several that protect your right to object. You can go join the Westboro Baptist Church if you please and say things as hateful as you wish, you are strongly protected in law and this has been upheld in courts at every level of government multiple times. So, you’re either uneducated or lying and using deliberate hyperbole to get people all worked up.
“Its not only participating in your hurtful actions towards yourself and others its forcing us to do so.”
Who’s forcing you to be gay or participate in sexual practices with the same sex? If someone is, that’s highly illegal and rape. If someone isn’t, you aren’t being forced to engage in homosexuality.
The anti-discrimination laws you complain about were already in place well before the push for gay rights. They were put in place so people couldn’t refuse to rent to black people, or serve single mothers or immigrants, or fire someone for being Christian, or otherwise discriminate against other legally protected groups. Notice how some of those protected groups made a choice to belong to that group, so don’t start throwing the “homosexuality is a choice!!!” red herring at me. We decided decades ago that refusing to rent to, or sell products available to the public in your store, or fire someone for being a part of the protected groups is despicable and should not be allowed. These terms don’t apply to churches, so don’t start on the “pastors will be jailed!!!” red herring either.
You belong to a federal and state law protected group, as a Christian (and for whatever race you are, whatever your national origin, or parental status, etc). What you are saying with all your rants is that it’s okay for you to be legally protected from discrimination, but it’s not okay for others depending on what group they belong to. That’s the very essence of discrimination. You expect your favored groups to be treated one way, and other groups you dislike to be treated another.
“Gay is not the new Black. I am sorry, and it never will be.”
Of course it isn’t, just likes women’s rights and civil rights for black people were not the same thing, as Reality pointed out. But considering you’ve said previously that LGBT people don’t matter as much as other people, I am going to take your opinion with the exact amount of consideration it deserves. :)
What’s up Reality? I’ve been meaning to ask you how you’ve been lately. I’m still not giving up hope you’ll become pro-life, I still want you arguing for us. :)
It’s all good thanks Jack. Coming up for a year of domestic bliss and I love what I do (even though I’d make more working for someone else). Apart from a bit of restorative surgery coming up soon, my health has improved too. I can ride like I used to again.
From what I have caught from your comments here I get the impression you are travelling at least fairly well. I hope this is the case? How are your son and daughter Mr. Mechanic? Your responses here to ..ahem… certain ‘pro-life’ individuals display an added clarity and wisdom. Is there a political future for you? A type of Bernie Sanders Jnr?
Like I’ve said before Jack, whatever it is that you would like to see me apply for your ‘side’ is what keeps me on this ‘side’.
Fantasy, the reality is that there shouldn’t be laws protecting my freedom of religion because we have a constitutional amendment that does that. Gays can get married. They can’t force people to marry them. That is why this Supreme Court law is being crafted as an anti-discrimination piece. Religion is the only territory that accredits that homosexuals don’t have full access to, which is what they are fighting for.
There are military personelle that are all for same sex marriage. I know one that in fact left his family, and is getting married to a dude. He also got into coke and other hard drugs.
There are military personelle who defect and fight for ISIS. What you fight for defines your eternity. If homosexuals wanted to get married, they wouldn’t be fighting this fight. This is about intolerance towards Christians. I am not trying to get you and your friends all worked up. But you have to understand your accusations and attempts to silence Christians will not stop them. It will, however, reveal your true agenda. You are not hoping to strengthen the community, those dedicating to fighting ISIS and not Christians are doing that, and risking their lives, sacrificing for others, something you have no understanding of.
the gay marriage agenda is meant to increase the power of your side.
“Like I’ve said before Jack, whatever it is that you would like to see me apply for your ‘side’ is what keeps me on this ‘side’.
Christians don’t see this as being one side verse another. We see the reality, not the fantasy. There is only one truth, and we wish you to understand that for your welfare and for the welfare of others. We won’t force you. But if you try to force us, you won’t. You will simply go down in history as a tyrant and a murder.
If these Supreme Court Justices decide in favor, your going to be more powerful than ever. They will go down in history as being documented supporters of the next tyrannical force to attempt to destroy Christianity. It will be well documented.
So will these guys:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/26/companies-support-gay-marriage_n_3503981.htm
Since we can’t boycott all of them easily, I suggest just starbcks, ben & jerries are easiest.
And since it’s memorial day:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/13/mount-soledad-cross_n_4439327.html
Gays can get married. – not everywhere, yet.
They can’t force people to marry them. – that is correct. They don’t and they won’t.
That is why this Supreme Court law is being crafted as an anti-discrimination piece. Religion is the only territory that accredits that homosexuals don’t have full access to, which is what they are fighting for. – no it’s not. Religion is not part of the case in any way. Why make such stuff up? It doesn’t strengthen your case.
There are military personelle that are all for same sex marriage. I know one that in fact left his family, and is getting married to a dude. He also got into coke and other hard drugs. – there are military personnel, both gay and straight, who do or don’t leave their families and get into drugs. What’s your point?
There are military personelle who defect and fight for ISIS. – and? They’re hardly likely to be gay given ISIS’s propensities. They must be converts from christianity.
What you fight for defines your eternity. – it would pay you to remember that.
If homosexuals wanted to get married, they wouldn’t be fighting this fight. – ???
This is about intolerance towards Christians. – complete and utter nonsense. It is about some christians’ intolerance towards anything different, anything they don’t like, anything that doesn’t accord with how they want to live. Even though it has no impact on them whatsoever.
I am not trying to get you and your friends all worked up. But you have to understand your accusations and attempts to silence equality and rights will not stop them. It will, however, reveal your true agenda. You are not hoping to strengthen the community.
those dedicating to fighting ISIS and not Christians are doing that, and risking their lives, sacrificing for others, something you have no understanding of. – you are wrong. It is you who lacks understanding.
the gay marriage agenda is meant to increase the power of your side. – until it is equal with yours dear lady, until it is equal with yours.
Christians don’t see this as being one side verse another. – goodness me you do say some stuff!
We see the reality, not the fantasy. – evidentially such is not the case.
There is only one truth, – that’s not true.
and we wish you to understand that for your welfare and for the welfare of others. – no you don’t. Your flailing against equality is the antithesis of caring about the welfare of others.
We won’t force you. But if you try to force us, you won’t. – you are the one wishing to force others to do or not do something, no one is forcing you to do or not do anything.
You will simply go down in history as a tyrant and a murder. – no, that will be those who have and do oppose freedom and equality for same-sex folk. Imprisonment, beatings, murders, denial of jobs and services and denial of equality within society. That’s where the history resides.
If these Supreme Court Justices decide in favor, your going to be more powerful than ever. – maybe somewhere close to as powerful as you!
They will go down in history as being documented supporters of the next tyrannical force to attempt to destroy Christianity. It will be well documented. – they will have done absolutely nothing to christianity. The most they could do is prevent those who claim ‘christianity’ from destroying others.
Since we can’t boycott all of them easily, I suggest just starbcks, ben & jerries are easiest. – go right ahead. You will be a part of what is rapidly becoming a laughing stock.
You are not going to be forced into a same-sex marriage. You are not going to be forced to conduct a same-sex marriage. Thinking you can prevent others from entering into a same-sex marriage or willingly conducting a same-sex marriage because of your religious objection is like a vegetarian thinking they have the right to prevent others eating or selling meat.
Fantasy, you know what else you guys are doing that is really sneaky. You are using propaganda to try to get approval from servicemen for your anti-religion discrimination law. That awful Kevin Kline film was on today of all days. In & Out. It basically is a film that has NOTHING to do with Memorial Day or honoring our soldiers. Once again you have put yourselves first.
The reason: They are the last front in preserving Freedom of Religion, our first and foremost ammendment. Note; the colonists did not leave England because they wanted to found a land where men could marry men. They founded a land where first and foremost religion was respected as a first right. Not gayness.
Fantasy you will like this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/19/northern-ireland-gay-marriage-cake-_n_7313698.html
Also, in several countries, Muslim Extremists have used their marriage laws as a foothold to gain their own sharia law that is above the naturalized law of any country they reside in. WIth this Supreme Court Ruling that will be unnecessary in the US because it will allow men to marry as many women as they want. This is about ripping to shreds the dignity of the institution for kicks.
Its not about helping children. Its nothing to do with equal rights. Gay is not the new Black. It never will be. Its not going to help people find God. Its not going to respect the sacrifices our military make for freedom or honor our constitutional founders. Its not American. Its not the “future.” Its egosim gone haywire and it will kill this country.
Fantasy, you know what else you guys are doing that is really sneaky. – supporters of marriage equality are doing nothing sneaky Angles.
You are using propaganda to try to get approval from servicemen for your anti-religion discrimination law. That awful Kevin Kline film was on today of all days. In & Out. – there is no ‘anti-religion discrimination’ law. There may be a law which is against religious discrimination but that’s about as close as it gets.
It basically is a film that has NOTHING to do with Memorial Day or honoring our soldiers. Once again you have put yourselves first. – you’re sending mixed messages Angles.
The reason: They are the last front in preserving Freedom of Religion, our first and foremost ammendment. – since you only understand one side of that amendment it’s hardly surprising you make such an erroneous comment.
Note; the colonists did not leave England because they wanted to found a land where men could marry men. They founded a land where first and foremost religion was respected as a first right. Not gayness. – that sounds a bit like it came straight from a David Barton “history” book. They didn’t found a theocracy dear. And you won’t be doing so either.
I do like it Angles, I do. A business run for profit is not a religious organisation. Would you support the bakery’s right to refuse to bake a cake saying “All races are equal” or “All genders are equal”?
Also, in several countries, Muslim Extremists have used their marriage laws as a foothold to gain their own sharia law that is above the naturalized law of any country they reside in. – that sounds like what you’re wishing to do.
WIth this Supreme Court Ruling that will be unnecessary in the US because it will allow men to marry as many women as they want. – what utter BS. Why do you come out with such nonsense?
This is about ripping to shreds the dignity of the institution for kicks. – no, it’s about enhancing the dignity of the institution by making it fairly and equitably available.
Its not about helping children. – yes it is. Some have gay parents. Some live in gay households. You are denying them what other children have. You are discriminating.
Its nothing to do with equal rights. – it absolutely is.
Gay is not the new Black. It never will be. – yes Angles, you’ve already said so. And I and others have agreed with you, remember?
Its not going to help people find God. – not that I think that matters in the least but some churches who have welcomed gays are indeed helping them find god.
Its not going to respect the sacrifices our military make for freedom or honor our constitutional founders. – what? Not even our gay soldiers? Those amongst the founding fathers who were gay? It totally respects the sacrifices our military make for freedom and honor. It is you, with your wish to impose some level of theocracy who is not respecting their sacrifices.
Its not American. – it’s not ‘your’ American. It is American for a large and growing number of others.
Its not the “future.” – obviously it is. It’s already here. You’re residing in the past.
Its egosim gone haywire and it will kill this country. – no, it’s your thinking that the world revolves around what you believe and that everyone must adhere to it that kills.
I’m glad your health is improving Reality!! That’s really good to hear. And it’s awesome your relationship is doing well. :)
I’m doing ai’ght. Last year was awful, but this year is good. The right combination of meds and proper diagnoses does wonders for mental health care. So does finally having decent insurance. :) The kids are (of course, since they are awesome) doing really well. My daughter is starting to read at the ripe old age of 4 and a half (because she’s a genius) and my son is just finishing up first grade and his teacher tells me he’s one of the better behaved kids and is top of class in most subjects (because he’s a genius).
Haha, I would hate politics. Imma run a non-profit for homeless and addict teens someday, and I think I’ll do some good there. :D
Yes Jack, I am aware that getting the meds right can take some time and effort. And then they usually end up needing to be adjusted or altered at some point anyway. A bit of a constant battle there, depending on what you’re dealing with of course.
Decent insurance. Sssshh, don’t let truthseeker hear you say that.
So your kids get their looks from you and their brains from mum? Only kidding, I am aware that you are intelligent. It’s good to know they’re doing well. Be proud.
Sounds like a worthwhile vocation Jack. I hope you can achieve what you want.
If the agenda of this thing was not ultimately anti-Christian, then Christians would not be the ones being punished by this Supreme Court Decision. If you noticed, I included a link you can clearly see the truth.
Gay is not the future. The future is the future. The Bible talks about the end times. So really, Gay is the past. When America was a Christian country Gay was another word for Dandy. Dandy meant silly or out of touch. It still means out of touch, but it’s embraced by elitists and those under their influence.
If Gays wanted as much power as good christians, they would be good christians. This does not mean shop at J. Crew and be super clean all the time, and slightly rich. Many gays are not driving for “equality.” The reason: reality. Fantasy, there are actually people who are not trying to flip definitions attempting controlling reality. They accept life on life’s terms.
Once the military and law enforcement is used to arrest good christians, the law will not be representing goodness. Law enforcement will have to reconsider their position as Americans.
If you weren’t trying to make this the new Black then you wouldn’t be calling it civil rights. A civil right is having the same rights as another person. It is not about taking their rights away so you can hijack their credibility. Gay Marriage advocates have more rights than anyone else, but they can’t have marriage because they are not asking for that, so they have to dissolve it.
One way or another when we fail to defend our religious freedom we are faced with tyranny, and are either under the law of Gay Liberalism or ISIS. Both target good christians. He came to set the captives free, so when we put Him in jail, we fall back under the yoke.
Its weird hearing you try to talk about God, Fantasy. It’s like, you use the word theorcracy, you don’t capitalize the G. You obviously are just using God as a tool. Marriage is not a tool. God is not a tool. The Supreme Court is not a tool. Children are not tools. They are not property. They are GOD GIVEN. Like our RIGHTS. You can’t use those as things to capitalize your agendas.
The Church is the biggest advocate of Marriage, Healthy Sex and Children. If you take away the right of the church to practice what it preaches, especially regarding marriage and sex and children, you are leaving children at the mercy of folks like yourself, who can’t see the human soul beyond the human. And people become commodities.
“If the agenda of this thing was not ultimately anti-Christian, then Christians would not be the ones being punished by this Supreme Court Decision.”
Well, Christians are the ones discriminating. If we lived in a Muslim dominated country, Muslims would be the most affected. But no one is being punished by the law, they are just unable to discriminate.
So you thing LGBT people are out of touch? With what? The fact that a lot of Christians don’t like us? I think we got that.
“If Gays wanted as much power as good christians, they would be good christians.”
Plenty of LGBT people are Christian. I am, my sister is. A lesbian couple at my church is. You couldn’t be more wrong and more offensive here.
And you dont need to be a Christian to deserve human rights, respect, and kindness.
“Once the military and law enforcement is used to arrest good christians, the law will not be representing goodness. Law enforcement will have to reconsider their position as Americans”
Um, sometimes Christian people break the law and need to be arrested. It happens, we’re all sinners. And people aren’t getting arrested. Even under our current discrimination laws, people usually don’t get arrested. Refuse to rent to a black person, you get fined. Fire someone for being Christian, you get fired. Nothing about this legal enforcement will change except LGBT people will be protected tOo. I think it would be pretty good if I couldn’t be fired out evicted if my boss or landlord fouput out that I’m bisexual.
“A civil right is having the same rights as another person. It is not about taking their rights away so you can hijack their credibility. Gay Marriage advocates have more rights than anyone else, but they can’t have marriage because they are not asking for that, so they have to dissolve it.”
LGBT people have less rights than you do currently. As already stated. It’s not the LGBT community’s fault that you’re uninformed and woefully, deliberately uneducated.
And it seems funny to me that you think people are trying to dissolve marriage, when so many of them want to be married!
And NOBODY IS TAKING AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO SPEAK, PRAY, AND PREACH WHAT YOU WISH. If I capitalize it will you actually acknowledge this?
If the agenda of this thing was not ultimately anti-Christian, then Christians would not be the ones being punished by this Supreme Court Decision. If you noticed, I included a link you can clearly see the truth. – nothing but fantasyland nonsense Angles, as LDPL pointed out to you.
Gay is not the future. The future is the future. The Bible talks about the end times. So really, Gay is the past. – gay is the past, the present and the future.
When America was a Christian country Gay was another word for Dandy. Dandy meant silly or out of touch. It still means out of touch, but it’s embraced by elitists and those under their influence. – then just use the word homosexual, it ain’t hard.
If Gays wanted as much power as good christians, they would be good christians. This does not mean shop at J. Crew and be super clean all the time, and slightly rich. Many gays are not driving for “equality.” The reason: reality. – do you prefer the ones who aren’t driving for equality? Because they ‘know their place’ or something? No one needs to be a ‘good christian’ to have equal power.
Fantasy, there are actually people who are not trying to flip definitions attempting controlling reality. They accept life on life’s terms. – not you, obviously.
Once the military and law enforcement is used to arrest good christians, the law will not be representing goodness. Law enforcement will have to reconsider their position as Americans. – the more you come out with this paranoid imaginary stuff the less meaningful what you say becomes.
If you weren’t trying to make this the new Black then you wouldn’t be calling it civil rights. – you really don’t pay attention do you.
A civil right is having the same rights as another person. – so why do you oppose such?
It is not about taking their rights away so you can hijack their credibility. – then why do you persist in doing so?
Gay Marriage advocates have more rights than anyone else, – name one. Go on, name one.
but they can’t have marriage because they are not asking for that, so they have to dissolve it. – they can have marriage. Some already do. More will. The complete opposite of seeking to dissolve marriage.
One way or another when we fail to defend our religious freedom we are faced with tyranny, and are either under the law of Gay Liberalism or ISIS. Both target good christians. He came to set the captives free, so when we put Him in jail, we fall back under the yoke. – did you read that on the back of a gum wrapper?
Its weird hearing you try to talk about God, Fantasy. – not as weird as what you’ve been coming out with Angles.
It’s like, you use the word theorcracy, – yes, it is a word.
you don’t capitalize the G. You obviously are just using God as a tool. – I cannot use what doesn’t exist as a tool Angles. That’d be your forte.
Marriage is not a tool. – then stop using it as one.
God is not a tool. – then whay do you use god as a tool which you think gives you rights over others and an excuse to discriminate?
The Supreme Court is not a tool. – good.
Children are not tools. They are not property. They are GOD GIVEN. – you believe they are god given. Many do not. Live with it.
Like our RIGHTS. – bestowed on us by law and society.
You can’t use those as things to capitalize your agendas. – yet here you are, claiming that your belief in a god gives you the right to have more rights than others.
The Church is the biggest advocate of Marriage, Healthy Sex and Children. – their version anyway.
If you take away the right of the church to practice what it preaches, especially regarding marriage and sex and children, – well Angles, that’s an ‘if’ you won’t have to worry about.
you are leaving children at the mercy of folks like yourself, who can’t see the human soul beyond the human. And people become commodities. – you are the one making commodities of people with your drive to apportion different levels of rights and equality according to what you deign to be.
Yes, you are taking away our rights.
Did you not hear of any of the court cases punishing people who refuse to participate in gay marriages?
You some how think the bible and priests are going to be more exempt from your narrow minded version of legalized(legally enforced) civil rights?
Of course you don’t care about Christians, you care about gay marriage advocates. These are the people you “care” for. These are not the people defending our country en masse. These are not who the founder of our country had in mind when they founded the country. They had in mind those practicing a religion. Pandering to people with mental illness was not a country building principle, Fantasy / Deluded.
If repeating what I am saying is helping you wrap your mind around the complexity of it, I appreciate your learning to open your mind and raise your awareness about the reality of your sad investment in this truly misguided and hateful agenda to tear down our countries moral fiber.
If you don’t like it here go to Syria.
The only ‘right’ you may lose is to discriminate against others. That’s it.
You will be able to pray, read your bible and go to church.
You will not have to gay marry.
You won’t have to conduct gay marriages.
You lose nothing.
Yet you persist in insisting that others relinquish their rights for your personal comfort.
No, I did not hear of such court cases. No one has been punished for refusing to participate in a gay marriage.
The bible and priests will be able to continue in their narrow-minded ways.
Your personal brand of belief is not what the military are exclusively and specifically defending. They are defending against tyranny. Against the imposition of some sort of theocracy. So if anything, you are not particularly representative of what they are defending.
Homosexuality is not a mental illness Angles. Thinking you have a personal divine right to force others to live how you wish it to be probably falls into at least one category though.
There is no complexity at all to your phantasmagorical paranoia. It’s clear and simple that you think everyone is going to conform to your particular belief-driven fantasyland. They’re not.
Given how you want things to be, how you believe people should live, Syria would be more to your liking.
Aldous Huxley’s estate should sue you for plagiarism.
You wanted one example:
Gay advocates like yourself shut down adoption agencies. They did this in massechusettes and in other states, new hampshire, ect… where gay “equality” experts thought it was not fare children were not being “given” out equally. Children are not commodities, and they do not “deserve” two men / women parenting situations. Children deserve a mother and a father. If you want to land on the moon shoot for the stars…
And by the way, I don’t think Huxleys estate is rapacious for blood as you and your “mission” to sodomize america through “equity” laws. : ) Your on your own there, Fantasy!
You shut down businesses and you take away parents from preborn babies, and no amount of force is going to change who your are in your heart. You need to use sacrificial love to become better, to love truly, and unlike you, Catholics get married before an altar, before the blood of Gods only son, where He is sacrificed. Gay advocates get married in parks where children have to watch their uninspiring ceremonies before all, to disparriage and dismay young and old alike. Wow-what a hero, what an american hero.
There, you have your one example for the a thing that gays have a right to do that straights don’t: shut down adoption agencies.
The self-righteous will go to any lengths to be seen as Jesus on the cross. If that means shutting down the charitable actions of others because they feel those charitable actions “discriminate”, then so be it, its not beyond the self-righteouse to do so. Charity is illegal when you put the homosexual advocate at the top of the law.
Gay advocates like yourself shut down adoption agencies. – you know that isn’t true. Some chose to close rather than obey the law stating they must cease their baseless discrimination. Their choice.
You shut down businesses – you know this is also untrue. Hasn’t happened.
and you take away parents from preborn babies, – that is not the case and you know it.
Gay advocates get married in parks where children have to watch their uninspiring ceremonies before all, – their ceremonies are quite inspiring. Some do get married in churches. Children love the ceremonies.
to disparriage and dismay young and old alike. – only a small and ever-shrinking cluster of outdated diehards.
There, you have your one example for the a thing that gays have a right to do that straights don’t: shut down adoption agencies. – except it isn’t true.
The self-righteous will go to any lengths to be seen as Jesus on the cross. – I can certainly see that!
Charity is illegal when you put the homosexual advocate at the top of the law. – utter nonsense.
If you really want to pointlessly agitate against marriage equality you could at least come up with something which is not so heavily redolent of paranoid delusion.