by Colleen W.
“Welcome” to Colleen, a graduate student interning for Students for Life who director Kristan Hawkins is graciously “lending” me a couple of hours a day. Colleen will compose (Prolifer)ations for the summer. JivinJ will still also contribute his valuable posts, but we just need to think of a new name. Suggestions welcome!
On the pro-life blogs…
Andrew Smith of the Catholic Pro-Life Committee reports wonderful news: Another late-term Dallas abortion mill is closing! June 28 was its last day to abort. This indeed, in Bishop Farrell’s words, is “the best news I’ve heard all week.”
Gabriel at the Culture Campaign links to a LifeNews.com article on the Defund Planned Parenthood protest last Thursday in Washington, DC. Activists gathered at both the Republican and Democratic National Committee headquarters denouncing PP as a racist organization, arguing it deliberately targets black communities. The Washington Times also has a good article.
Dawn Eden of The Dawn Patrol and JivinJ link to articles in the Times of London and the Daily Telegraph about doctors in the UK screening embryos for the breast cancer gene. While one “designer embryo” will be born without the breast cancer gene, six siblings were killed because they carried it. The mother and doctors apparently failed to consider, as Dawn writes:
Think about the women you know who have suffered from breast cancer. Would the world be a better place if they never had existed?
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Colleen,
A few name suggestions for you:
Pro-Life Clarity
Pro-Life Clarifications
Clearly Pro-Life
Clearly For Life
Clarity of Life
Clarity For Life
Think about the women you know who have suffered from breast cancer. Would the world be a better place if they never had existed?
What a great question. Of course not.
It would be most interesting to hear from women who are breast cancer survivors; do they wish they’d never been born rather than had to suffer through breast cancer?
Janet, if they considered death better than dealing with cancer, they’d have jumped off the roof rather than fight it. The fact that they chose life for themselves shows how they feel about it.
The whole idea that Person A has the right to decide that Person B’s life simply isn’t worth bothering with is deplorable.
The whole idea that Person A has the right to decide that Person B’s life simply isn’t worth bothering with is deplorable.
I totally agree.
“Andrew Smith of the Catholic Pro-Life Committee reports wonderful news: Another late-term Dallas abortion mill is closing! June 28 was its last day to abort.”
Closing because of lack of interest in the procedure, or because other providers are covering all the business? How would the latter be wonderful news for the pro-life crowd?
Sheesh, what next, screening for diabetes? Screening for gingivitis? High Cholesterol? For obesity?
My mother had breast cancer when I was 18 months old. She’s a 25+ year survivor. My sister and I are both at risk.
“Andrew Smith of the Catholic Pro-Life Committee reports wonderful news: Another late-term Dallas abortion mill is closing! June 28 was its last day to abort.”
Closing because of lack of interest in the procedure, or because other providers are covering all the business? How would the latter be wonderful news for the pro-life crowd?
According to Jill’s link:
“The Catholic Pro-Life Committee, the Respect Life Ministry of the Catholic Diocese of Dallas, has learned that Aaron Women’s Health Center, a late-term abortion facility in Dallas located at 6546 LBJ Freeway, will be closing due to eminent domain acquisition for the widening of LBJ.”
It’s always good new when an abortuary closes. Fewer places for the Prayer Warriors to travel to.
What will be interesting is how this baby will feel when he/she knows about this as an adult. Imagine, 6 siblings killed because they carried the gene.
It also ignores the fact, that treatments for cancer are always improving as are diagnostics.
It truly is a brave new world.
Quote of the day: “I was on one [contraceptive] pill and wasn’t feeling well, so I went off it. Two days later, the doctor put me on another, and on that one day, we conceived. It was meant to be!”
~ Actress Tori Spelling, explaining the conception of her 2nd child Stella Doreen, born earlier this month, as quoted by Digital Spy, June 26. She joins 1-year-old sibling Liam Aaron.
When will everyone realize that ALL babies conceived ARE MEANT TO BE?????!!!
Closing because of lack of interest in the procedure, or because other providers are covering all the business? How would the latter be wonderful news for the pro-life crowd?
Posted by: hal at June 30, 2008 8:06 PM
IN FACT, Hal, there were 13 abortion clinics in the city of Dallas in 1990. The then bishop, Charles Grahmann began a monthly prayer vigil that year to close the clinics. Between 1990 and 2001, SEVEN clinics closed. The 8th clinic closed on Saturday.
The prayer effort was a 24/7 ecumenical effort. There are now only 5 clinics left.
Woohoo. Prayer rocks!
Bishop Farrell said a Mass of Thanksgiving on Saturday.
Patricia: 8:34: What will be interesting is how this baby will feel when he/she knows about this as an adult. Imagine, 6 siblings killed because they carried the gene.
It also ignores the fact, that treatments for cancer are always improving as are diagnostics.
It truly is a brave new world.
“Americans are known for generosity to your children. And what is the best gift you can give your children? I say to you: Give them brothers and sisters.”
Re: QOTD
Tori is an idiot. You’re supposed to use condoms for at least a month after starting the pill, especially if you went off the pill for even a brief period of time.
Edyt: Tori is an idiot.
A bit harsh, isn’t it? It’s good to see Tori happy with her baby even if she didn’t follow her BC instructions to a “t”.
More on the origin of HIV (discussion on earlier thread)
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/625/1
Patricia, you wrote: “Charles Grahmann began a monthly prayer vigil that year to close the clinics. Between 1990 and 2001, SEVEN clinics closed. ”
I’m sure that Grahmann’s prayers are what caused the clinics to close (sarcasm).
Janet: I was at work tonight and a lady came into the library. She wanted a certain book which we did not have and we got talking about books. I told her that I read mostly young adult fiction and that this is because I currently have 3 teens. She looked at me and said “wow you don’t look like you are old enough to have teens.” (how sweet)
Then she said”you have more than 3 kids?”
I told her I have 4 children. She told me “Good for you! You deserve a medal!”
Made me feel very nice! I’ve always felt siblings was the best gift I could give my kids. After my husband left, when the youngest reached 3 years of age, they started asking for another.
So sad…
I don’t understand how your husband could leave you Patricia, you seem like a very nice/quality person. His loss.
Patricia, you wrote: “Charles Grahmann began a monthly prayer vigil that year to close the clinics. Between 1990 and 2001, SEVEN clinics closed. ”
I’m sure that Grahmann’s prayers are what caused the clinics to close (sarcasm).
Posted by: SoMG at June 30, 2008 9:35 PM
I’m not surprised that you would doubt the efficacy of prayer, SoMG, given your current preoccupation with sending unborn babies quickly to meet their maker. However, studies have shown that patients who combine prayer with treatment do better than patients who receive only treatment. In fact, those who do the best are the ones who have doctors who also PRAY. You oughta try it before you criticize it. Might get rid of that smokey smell you have around you all the time.
BTW: Thats BISHOP Charles Grahmann.
More on the origin of HIV (discussion on earlier thread)
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/625/1
Posted by: SoMG at June 30, 2008 9:31 PM
WE are not talking about this. Focus SoMG.
Patricia, What Jasper (9:38) said!
The power of prayer is not in the pray-er. It is in the One who hears.
@ J & J :
Thank you. I must have been the bad wife!
God bless
Closing because of lack of interest in the procedure, or because other providers are covering all the business? How would the latter be wonderful news for the pro-life crowd?
The wonderful news beyond the fact that one less location in our city is dismembering babies is that this is a LATE-TERM clinic, the ONLY late-term clinic. Women drive from out-of-state, LA, OK, AR, to kill their second-trimester babies here rather than birth them. With no place in the area that will kill the big kids, that means many of the previously condemned will instead live.
Doesn’t that just piss you off? :)
Just to put things in perspective, Hal, if you google 24 week fetus and click images, you’ll see women posting pictures of their large bellies at 6 months pregnant.
Is there something depraved, you think, with a showing woman that has felt her baby kick having that child killed?
“The power of prayer is not in the pray-er. It is in the One who hears.” – Carla
The power is entirely God’s, but He also chooses whose prayers He will give power to.
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers; but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
1 Peter 3:12
Carla,
How did your interview go down in Texas? I hope well:)
Patricia, you wrote: “studies have shown that patients who combine prayer with treatment do better than patients who receive only treatment. In fact, those who do the best are the ones who have doctors who also PRAY. ”
Please cite these studies, preferably with links.
Jacqueline, you wrote: “With no place in the area that will kill the big kids, that means many of the previously condemned will instead live.”
Nope. It means that the patients will travel further for their care.
Some may even have to travel by air.
Number of abortions prevented = zero.
By the way, this business of creating a breast-cancer-gene-free baby is only the beginning. I would bet, if I were a betting man, that before the year 3000 humans will create babies with ALL their genes rationally chosen.
By the way, this business of creating a breast-cancer-gene-free baby is only the beginning. I would bet, if I were a betting man, that before the year 3000 humans will create babies with ALL their genes rationally chosen.
Posted by: SoMG at June 30, 2008 11:11 PM
SoMG, Sodomoy is a sin of the worst kind and could leave a person blinded to the grace of God forever. It will almost surely destroy the soul of those who do not find it repugnant and repent.
The work of your hands is the death of God’s children in their mother’s womb. It does not surprise you would also enjoy participation in a destructive activity like sodomy.
Maybe you should have offered your husband anal sex.
Posted by: SoMG at June 30, 2008 10:54 PM
SoMG, Sodomoy is a sin of the worst kind and could leave a person blinded to the grace of God forever. It will almost surely destroy the soul of those who do not find it repugnant and repent.
The work of your hands is the death of God’s children in their mother’s womb. It does not surprise me that you would also enjoy participation in a destructive activity like sodomy. It is never too late to turn away, repent and quit engaging in sodomy and ask God to open your eyes to the evil of abortion and He will answer you. Pull yourself out of the depths of darkness and let the light of love shine!
Think about the women you know who have suffered from breast cancer. Would the world be a better place if they never had existed?
What a great question. Of course not.
It would be most interesting to hear from women who are breast cancer survivors; do they wish they’d never been born rather than had to suffer through breast cancer?
Posted by: Janet at June 30, 2008 6:14 PM
The answer to that question is so obvious and so beautiful. It just cuts right through.
Like I said SoMG, you can’t see for all the smoke and flames that follow you around, nor the little monkey you carry on your back.
But then I do have to have some sympathy for you as you ARE an abortion survivor.
Patricia, no I am not an abortion survivor.
Prayer is VERY powerful. I think my family can attest to that. When my sister was pregnant with my oldest niece, she had a blood test that showed there might be a problem with the baby. We prayed for a long time, and we lit a candle at Church. Michaela is a healthy and active girl, who is going to be nine years old in September (though she thinks she’s 13).
I’ve read testimonies where some couples that have changed their mind about terminating their baby have thanked the pro-life prayer warriors for praying for them.
On the Dallas abortion mill closing.
Praise God! I hadn’t heard that this was happening but I’m *so* excited!
SoMG, even PP acknowledges that women are less likely to abort if no facility exists in their area. Of course, they use this information to press for more abortion clinics, but the fact remains that they know that a good percentage of abortion-minded women will carry to term instead of travel to some far off local to abort.
Lauren, you wrote: “PP acknowledges that women are less likely to abort if no facility exists in their area. ”
Show me please. Post a link to a PP document that acknowledges this. I bet you can’t.
I just can’t picture it: a woman choosing to grow a pregnancy she doesn’t want and endure labor and delivery, all in order to avoid having to travel for her abortion. That’s crrrrrrrrazy. Honestly, would YOU put yourself through a major medical/surgical trauma in order to avoid a long drive or a bus trip or even a trip by air?
I just can’t picture it: a woman choosing to grow a pregnancy she doesn’t want and endure labor and delivery, all in order to avoid having to travel for her abortion. That’s crrrrrrrrazy. Honestly, would YOU put yourself through a major medical/surgical trauma in order to avoid a long drive or a bus trip or even a trip by air?
Posted by: SoMG at July 1, 2008 9:41 AM
Look around you. People make sacrifices for loved ones every day. It’s called LOVE.
Patricia, you wrote: “studies have shown that patients who combine prayer with treatment do better than patients who receive only treatment. In fact, those who do the best are the ones who have doctors who also PRAY. “
Please cite these studies, preferably with links.
Posted by: SoMG at June 30, 2008 10:50 PM
Well, SoMG, here’s a study with your namesake being skeptical as well. It runs in the family.
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/jaroff/article/0,9565,193084,00.html
Jacqueline, you wrote: “With no place in the area that will kill the big kids, that means many of the previously condemned will instead live.”
Nope. It means that the patients will travel further for their care.
Some may even have to travel by air.
Number of abortions prevented = zero.
Yes, since women have the money and time off work to fly to another facility. Some may, but many do not.
Likewise, any delay in getting the abortion increases the likelihood of the mother changing her mind. This is one reason why waiting periods are so effective. Women want to “get it over with quickly” without thinking about the consequences, when they have time to think about it, they realize that they can’t do it.
I never said it would prevent all of these abortions, but my friend who previously worked at this late-term clinic admitted that women birth babies because they were further along than they thought and couldn’t pay the added expense. So it stands to reason that airfare, hotel, and other expenses might inhibit them.
By the way, do you not realize that you are evil?
Jacqueline at June 30, 2008 10:27 PM
Something has changed on Jill’s blog website. Pictures no longer appear.
Jacqueline, you wrote: “… women have the money and time off work to fly to another facility. Some may, but many do not.”
You’re suggesting she can’t afford an airline ticket and a few days off work, but she can afford to have a baby???
You wrote: “This is one reason why waiting periods are so effective.”
They’re not. I bet you can’t find even one study that says they are.
Janet, you wrote: “People make sacrifices for loved ones every day. It’s called LOVE.”
That’s very touching but it has nothing to do with the question whether or not having to travel prevents women from having abortions.
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SoMG,
I am not stupid. And you dodged the question.
You say you commit homicide, only justifiable homicide. You scrape out arms and legs. You stop innocent beating human hearts.
Do you really think you are doing a good thing or a necessary evil? And if you are doing evil, how does that make you not evil? Are you really at peace with killing for a living? Rather than responding with a playground comeback “You’re a stupid-head!!!” answer the question.
You’re suggesting she can’t afford an airline ticket and a few days off work, but she can afford to have a baby???
Precisely. Having a baby doesn’t have to cost anything- adoption agencies cover the costs, medicare and insurance also cover the costs. Killing late-term babies, not including airfare, etc, is a 4000 dollar affair, a cost that might be covered only if their is proof of medical necessity or fetal anomalies.
How is paying 4000 for a dead baby a better use of time and money than letting the child live?
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/6/6/0/4/p66042_index.html
By the way, I am a policy analyst. And I will happily do a study on abortion rates in states with waiting periods vs. those without. I have some directed research hours to get out of the way in a year, so I could study this.
All analyses tend to lump waiting periods in with other factors like informed consent, but nonetheless show a reduced abortion rate when women are informed and had more time to think.
That’s very touching but it has nothing to do with the question whether or not having to travel prevents women from having abortions.
By the way, women have not had abortions because they couldn’t get a ride to and from the clinic. And you don’t think having to drive across several states or catch a plane would effect this?
Jacqueline, you wrote: “Do you really think you are doing a good thing or a necessary evil? And if you are doing evil, how does that make you not evil? ”
If an evil is a necessary evil, doesn’t that imply that the person doing it is actually doing good? Leaving it undone would be worse than doing it; that’s what the phrase “necessary evil” means.
You wrote: “Having a baby doesn’t have to cost anything”
ROTFL. How much money did you spend during say the first two months of your child’s life?
You wrote: “adoption agencies cover the costs,…”
Really? Adoption agencies will pay for your pregnancy/labor/delivery care? Hospital bills too? I didn’t know that. Please confirm it by posting a link to an offer by an adoption agency to pay (if you can).
You wrote: “…medicare and insurance also cover the costs. ”
Deductables alone would cost the patient more than an early abortion. Unless her insurance is exceptionally good. In which case it would also cover abortions.
You wrote: “women have not had abortions because they couldn’t get a ride to and from the clinic. ”
What women? How did they get rides to and from the hospital or birthing center, and the prenatal care provider’s office, if they couldn’t get one to the abortion clinic?
You wrote: “And you don’t think having to drive across several states or catch a plane would effect this?”
Since you’re not stupid, you should know that the word “effect” is a noun, not a verb. The word you want is “affect”.
you are evil
you are stupid
Grouches.
Be careful or Carder is going to bop you in the heads with a gigantic styrofoam bat.
The mill in Dallas closed for several reasons, one of which is that the state has claimed eminent domain to expand the I-635 roadway that runs close to the mill.
I have been in contact with the engineers who are running the expansion and until earlier this year, they were not going to expand the road and had shelved the project entirely. Something changed their minds.
The mill is closing and not relocating because they spent way too much money upgrading their facilities to do late-term abortions in 2004-2005 and they can’t afford to start over.
We have had a constant presence of sidewalk counselors for the last 10 years in front of the mill and have been seeing the numbers drop and fewer people going in. It was only a matter of time.
Late-term abortion is neither financially solvent nor wanted by anyone who is a human being. This is why it closed. Happy day.
Well, the woman has 9 months to get ready for the birth- find the funds, arrange transport, etc. Plus, those extra months may allow her to have enough time in at work to get leave. Plus there’s lots of benefits out there for pregnant women, especially low-income.
You wrote: “Having a baby doesn’t have to cost anything”
ROTFL. How much money did you spend during say the first two months of your child’s life?
Very, very little. I already had clothes given to me from several baby showers as well as the car seat, crib and change table. I didn’t need to buy formula because I had a ready supply of baby food in breast milk. The only thing we paid for was the diaper service which very econmonical. BTW, I didn’t have medical costs due to our full medical coverage in Canada. Happy day for me and baby!
Telling mothers they can’t afford their baby is another lie abortionist tell women to coerce them into killing their unborn baby. Remember, it’s all about “choice”! Yeah right.
Patricia, no I am not an abortion survivor.
Posted by: SoMG at July 1, 2008 9:17 AM
DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL. Keep it up SoMG.. it’s really working.
Wichita Linewoman, in answer to my question “How did they get rides to and from the hospital or birthing center, and the prenatal care provider’s office, if they couldn’t get one to the abortion clinic? ” you wrote: “Well, the woman has 9 months to get ready for the birth- find the funds, arrange transport, etc. ”
Similarly, she has plenty of time to arrange transport to the abortion clinic. If she can do the one, then she can do the other.
SoMG: 9:41: Lauren, you wrote: “PP acknowledges that women are less likely to abort if no facility exists in their area. “
Show me please. Post a link to a PP document that acknowledges this. I bet you can’t.
I just can’t picture it: a woman choosing to grow a pregnancy she doesn’t want and endure labor and delivery, all in order to avoid having to travel for her abortion. That’s crrrrrrrrazy. Honestly, would YOU put yourself through a major medical/surgical trauma in order to avoid a long drive or a bus trip or even a trip by air?
Let’s try this again. Yes, some women would actually rather have a baby than have to get on a plane to have an abortion. I’ll bet just that little obstacle of having to get on a bus or plane is all some women would need to allow them to re-think the abortion option and decide “Hey, that’s not what I wanted anyways. I’ll have my baby.”
God works in mysterious ways. :)
SoMG, you can ignore that last part. And abortion…. That’s crrrrrrrrazy!
Patricia, you wrote: “Telling mothers they can’t afford their baby is another lie abortionist tell women to coerce them into killing their unborn baby.”
LOL We don’t even bring that up unless the patient asks about it.
I’m glad your medical expenses were paid by the government but it’s different in the USA.
You wrote: “DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL.”
I have already explained to you that I was a wanted pregnancy. There was never any question of aborting me. To call me an abortion survivor is just wrong.
Andrew, you’re right–demand for late-term abortions is very small and decreasing rapidly.
Sorry for the double post. I swear I only clicked once…..
Andrew: 1:04: Late-term abortion is neither financially solvent nor wanted by anyone who is a human being. This is why it closed. Happy day.
Happy day, indeed. Doors closed, lights out, yahoo!
If an evil is a necessary evil, doesn’t that imply that the person doing it is actually doing good? Leaving it undone would be worse than doing it; that’s what the phrase “necessary evil” means.
Then let’s talk about how no evil is ever necessary…
You wrote: “Having a baby doesn’t have to cost anything”
ROTFL. How much money did you spend during say the first two months of your child’s life?
Not killing a child doesn’t imply parenting a child. Deceiving women into thinking it’s a dead baby or parenthood when that is not the case helps with you thinking that a live baby in the care of an impoverished woman is a greater ‘evil’ than a dead baby, forgetting that the alternative can be the arms of an infertile couple that have had their nursery painted for years.
You wrote: “adoption agencies cover the costs,…”
Really? Adoption agencies will pay for your pregnancy/labor/delivery care? Hospital bills too? I didn’t know that. Please confirm it by posting a link to an offer by an adoption agency to pay (if you can).
I worked for Buckner Adoption and Maternity Services, and we paid medical expenses whether a woman placed for adoption or not. Of course, we let Medicaid/Insurance pay first, but she incurred no cost. We also gave her gift cards to purchase clothes, gas cards, bus fare, rent money, utility money, etc. That’s where “Maternity Services” comes in.
Here’s their website: http://www.beafamily.org/pregnant.shtml
You wrote: “…medicare and insurance also cover the costs. ”
Deductables alone would cost the patient more than an early abortion. Unless her insurance is exceptionally good. In which case it would also cover abortions.
The unisured and flat out unable to pay get emergency medical care. They may bill a poor woman, but they can’t pursue her for it.
What women? How did they get rides to and from the hospital or birthing center, and the prenatal care provider’s office, if they couldn’t get one to the abortion clinic?
Did it ever occur to you that people might help a woman in maternity care but not the dismemberment of her baby? I would never drive a friend to a clinic to have their child killed, but I’d certainly take them to a real doctor.
Since you’re not stupid, you should know that the word “effect” is a noun, not a verb. The word you want is “affect”.
Correcting typos is endearing. I’m sure you have so many friends.
About your supposed popularity, SoMG, what do your real doctor friends think about what you do? Quotes from abortionists have often indicated that your kind isn’t accepted as legitimate within the profession.
“When I walk into a room everybody knows my politics, and people come up to me and smile, and I’ll turn around and they’ll go, ‘That [expletive] abortionist!’ You’re never comfortable in a room
Jacqueline, you wrote: “… people might help a woman in maternity care but not the dismemberment of her baby? ”
Not normal people.
The beafamily web site you linked to says: “We can also help with counseling and SOME financial assistance with pregnancy-related expenses. ” (My emphasis). That’s not exactly reassuring. Also, the site seems to only help place children in Christian homes.
You wrote: “Correcting typos is endearing. I’m sure you have so many friends. ”
I don’t think it was a typo.
Too bad they’re gonna destroy the building, otherwise we were thinking about buying it and turning it into a museum or pilgrimage site.
Jacqueline, you wrote: “About your supposed popularity, SoMG,….”
Did I ever say I was popular? I don’t remember saying that.
“… what do your real doctor friends think about what you do?”
The majority of docs, at least where I live, are pro-choice, and totally agree with what I do. I also have several friends who are right-to-life doctors. (As you know, I’m pretty much willing to debate the issue with anyone.) I tease them by showing them the BS on right-to-life sites like prochoice.com and klannedparenthood.com. Pretty much all of them are embarrassed by these sites and agree with me that the RTL movement could prevent more abortions if it would acknowledge the facts and appeal to the pregnant women’s consciences, rather than trying to scare them with bugaboos like breast cancer.
Not normal people.
In order to be normal, you must support a woman in having her child cut from her piece by piece? In that case, I am proud to be abnormal.
The beafamily web site you linked to says: “We can also help with counseling and SOME financial assistance with pregnancy-related expenses. ” (My emphasis). That’s not exactly reassuring. Also, the site seems to only help place children in Christian homes.
You’re right-it’s a faith-based organization. It’s for women that want to place their children in Christian homes and we have other resources/agency referrals for women that do not have this preference.
And SOME gives them the right to have discretion on what expenses they cover. If we gave every woman room/board, etc, there would be less to go around, so the financial assistance is on a needs basis. It’s not “I’m pregnant, so you pay my rent.” It’s more like, “I’m pregnant and I need help with this bill or that bill.” Many women have basic expenses covered by living with their parents or they have a job, but anything baby related we would help with almost unconditionally. Nothing was ever denied when I was there, but we didn’t cover everything for everyone, only needs.
I don’t think it was a typo.
If you have to cling to the thought that I don’t know the proper usage of affect/effect, accept/except, your/you’re, its/it’s and other common typos that occur when people type quickly and don’t give a crap- in order to justify your belief that I am stupid, be my guest. It’s a weak argument.
Jacqueline: I think you meant “week” argument. just kidding. :)
Patricia, you wrote: I’m glad your medical expenses were paid by the government but it’s different in the USA.
You wrote: “DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL.”
I have already explained to you that I was a wanted pregnancy. There was never any question of aborting me. To call me an abortion survivor is just wrong.
Posted by: SoMG at July 1, 2008 1:39 PM
No you explained to YOURSELF that you were wanted. You never convinced me! You are an abortion survivor. Period.
Funny you must know some pretty strange prolife doctors. Because I also know prolife doctors and they don’t prescribe the BC pill, nor do they favour abortion and they readily admit that studies do show a woman who has an abortion before carrying a pregnancy to term has a significant chance of Breast cancer risk.
You know what SoMG: I don’t think you know ANY prolife doctors. The prolife doctors I know will have nothing professionally or personally to do with aborters.
“Telling mothers they can’t afford their baby is another lie abortionist tell women to coerce them into killing their unborn baby.”
SoMG:LOL We don’t even bring that up unless the patient asks about it.
OH I’m sure you don’t have to not after you’ve told the woman her baby is a blob of cells, asked her what she’s gonna do about “it”, does she want the baby, etc etc all kinds of questions with negative implications.
@ Jacqueline: Yes of course you wouldn’t cover everything. You cant’ possibly cover all the expenses for an expectant mom.
I use to do counselling for Birthright. Our policy was to help the women with baby needs but also to provide them with the information and then let them go and get the extra help they needed. The idea was that this empowered the women to make some of their own decisions and to also give them some dignity.
@SoMG maybe you could start a home for agnostic unwed mothers then you wouldn’t need to complain about there being only Christian orgs that help women. Oh I forgot! You’d be killing all your clients children. Sorry, my bad….
“Be careful or Carder is going to bop you in the heads with a gigantic styrofoam bat.”
Posted by: Doug at July 1, 2008 1:04 PM
No kidding, Doug.
Here’s my styrofoam bat coming out again…
…actually, I see you guys redirected yourselves quite nicely.
Carry on.
Aren’t doctors required to TELL the TRUTH about medical risks and information about the entire procedure? Making fun of a site like KlannedParenthood is tacky, considering the site exposes the truth about Margaret Sanger’s racist agenda and the entire abortion industry.
Patricia, you wrote: “You are an abortion survivor. Period.”
You must be using the term “abortion survivor” differently from the way I understand it. To me, “abortion survivor” means someone who has survived an attempt to kill him/her in utero. Like Gianna Jessen. What do YOU mean by the phrase?
You wrote: “I don’t think you know ANY prolife doctors.”
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. What do you think I would gain by lying about this?
You wrote: “The prolife doctors I know will have nothing professionally or personally to do with aborters.”
The ones around here don’t take it so personally. At least the ones I know. I suppose there could be lots of right-to-life docs who avoid me and I’d never know, because they avoid me.
You wrote: “I also know prolife doctors … and they readily admit that studies do show a woman who has an abortion before carrying a pregnancy to term has a significant chance of Breast cancer risk. ”
Every woman has a significant chance of breast cancer, except maybe the genetically engineered one in Britian who has no BRCA gene. What you mean is, the women who have abortions before carrying a pregnancy to term have a significantly INCREASED risk. And I agree that there are studies which show this. But they are small studies, and they are matched by studies which show the opposite. This is what epidemiologists expect to see–statistical noise in small studies.
Has any of these right-to-life docs you know ever advised you, in a professional setting where you (or your insurance, or your government) were paying him/her, that having an abortion increases your risk for breast cancer? If yes, then you have been a victim of medical malpractice. If you could show damages in court, you could almost certainly collect.
You wrote: “you’ve told the woman her baby is a blob of cells,…”
Nope. Never in my whole career. I don’t think I’ve ever even heard anyone use the phrase “blob of cells”.
You wrote: “… asked her what she’s gonna do about “it”, does she want the baby, etc etc all kinds of questions with negative implications.”
I don’t see any negative implications in those questions.
LizfromNebraska, you wrote: “Aren’t doctors required to TELL the TRUTH about medical risks and information about the entire procedure?”
Yes, of course. With the caveat that if you tried to list ALL the possible side effects of a procedure, including all the extremely rare ones, it would take all day. At some point you have to say, this is so rare that it’s not worth bothering the patient with it. You’d help her more by using the time to convince her to quit smoking or modify her diet or exercise regularly.
You wrote: “Making fun of a site like KlannedParenthood is tacky, …”
The site itself is more tacky.
You wrote: “…considering the site exposes the truth about Margaret Sanger’s racist agenda…”
Oh yeah, like everyone doesn’t already know about that (sarcasm). It is completely irrelevant today. And the campy garbage on the site makes it impossible to believe anything it says without verifying it elsewhere.
SoMG: Do you know what M.Sanger’s son, (Alex?) is doing these days? Working for PP?
No, Janet, I don’t know what he’s doing now.
SoMG: an abortion survivor is one who has lost siblings to abortion or one who has survived an abortion. Therefore, you qualify. Period.
You wrote: “The prolife doctors I know will have nothing professionally or personally to do with aborters.”
The ones around here don’t take it so personally. At least the ones I know. I suppose there could be lots of right-to-life docs who avoid me and I’d never know, because they avoid me.
This statement absolutely proves to me that you do not know prolife doctors. Because prolife doctors are not able to remain so ambivalent about abortion – they see it as the heinous crime it is. My guess is the ones you see are not really prolife, they may think they are, but my guess is they refer for abortion (not wishing to directly get their hands stained with the blood of the unborn but indirectly they do).
Asking a woman what she’s going to do about “it” demonstrates exactly how the physician sees the baby. A baby is not an “it” – it is a baby to the woman. A baby is only an it to a proabort- this term is the beginning of denying the humanity of the baby so that the woman can be convinced to abort. One of my friends told me how when pregnant with her 4th child, her doctor asked her this very question. He was pushing her to abort. Of course, she didn’t and this fellow is now 11 years old and a really good pianist!
Every woman has a significant chance of breast cancer,
Wrong. Not every woman has a “significant” chance of breast cancer. My family has not one single woman on either side who have died of breast cancer.
Why would my doctor advise me of the risk of breast cancer from abortion? I’ve never gone in to seek an abortion. I’m prolife, remember. I’ve carried all my pregnancies to term.
You have no idea just what you are writing SoMG.
I give you a F- for comprehension today and reasoning and an A++ for lying. Well done!
http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/2008/01/17/on-women-for-mixed-reasons-abortion-rates-fall.html
Here SoMG, it’s an article talking about the falling abortion rates. The study sited is from Guttmacher. When asked if the the rates are falling because women have better access to birth control or because they have less access to abortion providers? The Guttmacher folks said “We just don’t know,” admitted Rachel Jones, lead author of the report. “But we do know there’s a lot of state-by-state variation.” Oregon experienced a 25 percent drop in its abortion rate, while Connecticut had a 12 percent increase. And while abortion rates fell by nearly 20 percent in both Illinois and Mississippi, the reasons are probably as different as their northern and southern locales. Illinois passed a law in 2004 requiring insurance companies to cover birth control pills and other prescription contraceptives. Mississippi, on the other hand, passed legislation increasing regulation of abortion clinics; as a result, the state now has only one abortion clinic, down from four in 2000.”
It sounds to me that PP is well aware that fewer clinics= fewer abortions, they just can’t tell the exact extent to which clinic closures are to blame.
A bit harsh, isn’t it? It’s good to see Tori happy with her baby even if she didn’t follow her BC instructions to a “t”.
Janet, she’s an idiot for thinking it’s a miracle when it’s just her own stupid mistake.
Children are NEVER a mistake, Edyt. NEVER!
Quote of the day: “I was on one [contraceptive] pill and wasn’t feeling well, so I went off it. Two days later, the doctor put me on another, and on that one day, we conceived. It was meant to be!”
~ Actress Tori Spelling, explaining the conception of her 2nd child Stella Doreen, born earlier this month, as quoted by Digital Spy, June 26. She joins 1-year-old sibling Liam Aaron.
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Re: QOTD
Edyt: 9:03: Tori is an idiot. You’re supposed to use condoms for at least a month after starting the pill, especially if you went off the pill for even a brief period of time.
Janet :9:29: A bit harsh, isn’t it? It’s good to see Tori happy with her baby even if she didn’t follow her BC instructions to a “t”.
Edyt: 10:11: Janet, she’s an idiot for thinking it’s a miracle when it’s just her own stupid mistake.
With all due respect, I think you are not understanding what she is saying. She does not use the word “miracle” and that’s not what she is implying either.
She’s referring to God’s will. (“It was meant to be!”) “God’s will” can be a natural event like getting pregnant.
What you see as her idiocy is what allowed God’s will to be done in her life. Your thinking compared to Tori’s thinking show the difference between not having faith and having faith. Her faith in God doesn’t make her an idiot just as your lack of faith in God doesn’t make you an idiot.
That’s not an easy concept to explain, I hope it makes sense.
Liz,
Although I agree with you, I think Edyt is referring to Tori’s mistake of not following the BC directions properly – not that the baby is a mistake. I tried to explain God’s will as per Tori’s quote. (See my comment at 10:45)
that reminds me of something on my favorite televsion show that’s off the air now. On 7th Heaven, the mom Annie had twins in the 3rd season I think it was. In a later season, when newly married daughter Lucy thought she might be pregnant, told her daughter that she conceived the twins while on the pill. So, I agree with you about God’s will.
Lauren, you wrote: “When asked if the the rates are falling because women have better access to birth control or because they have less access to abortion providers? The Guttmacher folks said “We just don’t know,” admitted Rachel Jones, lead author of the report.”
That just means their studies have not attempted to measure the answer to this question. It doesn’t exclude speculations based on common sense. Common sense is against the notion that women would put themselves through labor and delivery in order to avoid travelling (and it’s not even interstate travel).
But Jones is right, we don’t really know how account for state-to-state variations in abortion rates.
Patricia, you wrote: “an abortion survivor is one who has lost siblings to abortion or one who has survived an abortion. ”
Well yes, by that definition I am an abortion survivor. I don’t think that definition is very common though. You are the first person I’ve ever heard use the phrase to refer to one who has lost siblings to abortion. Everyone else means only one who has survived an abortion.
You wrote: “My guess is the [right-to-life docs] you see … refer for abortion. ”
Nope. None of them.
Liz, Janet’s right. I wasn’t talking about whether the kid was a mistake, I was saying Tori made a mistake by not following the instructions. If she had “God’s Will” wouldn’t have happened. She is trying to play it out like it’s some sort of divine happening, when all it really amounts to is someone not following directions.
Well, if you don’t follow the directions and eat those preservative packets in pill bottles and die from it, is that “God’s Will” too? Or are you an idiot for not following the directions?
Children are NEVER a mistake, Edyt. NEVER!
Posted by: LizFromNebraska at July 1, 2008 10:33 PM
Then you’d better go have a talk with my 90 y o aunt and her 50 y o daughter who both refer to the daughter as Oopsie – (short for “an oops baby” which is what she was. Some of the family isn’t even sure what her real name is!
Why would an a doctor who performs abortions (SoMG) spend so much time blogging on a pro-life website? I think it is a subconscious cry for help.
Yikes! Let me correct my mistake before SoMG does — an a doctor — should read “a doctor”! :)
Eileen, I have a professional obligation to educate, and to dispel medical myths.
Also I enjoy teasing you all with the facts.
How tragic for a child to be called OOPSIE her whole life by her parents!! Rejected from the start.
My 4th baby was unplanned. I couldn’t imagine life with one more, now I can’t imagine my life without him.
Carla: How tragic for a child to be called OOPSIE her whole life by her parents!! Rejected from the start.
That rubbed me the wrong way too. Doesn’t sound very respectful or pro-life. Some peoples’ senses of humor are just a little different!
Do you remember the Disney World commercial where a woman in an elevator is talking to someone about last year’s vacation and how she calls her youngest child “her little souvenir”? I thought that was pretty funny, although a bit personal if it were real life!
Marketing of healthcare services to those most likely to use them is not a crime. If your logic follows then every time a catholic church opens up we should send out alarms about pedophile preists targeting a new neighborhood. At least PP provides a legitimate medical service. The gynecological and proctology exams offered by the church usually are not performed by doctors (except if you’re talking about Doctors of Theology.
Eileen: Regarding why SoMG spends so much time here, here’s an explanation:
SoMG, (obviously) is an abortionist. Abortionists are the doers of one of Satan’s many works. Satan lives through the likes of SoMG and loves to taunt God and those who believe in HIM and the TRUTH through deception, lies, distortion of facts and a myriad of other ways.
His/her presence on this blog is just one way the prince of darkness manifests himself and tries to call God’s bluff, and in doing so revels in the attention received, and a perceived notion that what he does will not go unpunished.
SoMG is in for a huge surprise when he meets his maker, yet he is amazingly comfortable in the chains that bind him to his captor.
In the infamous words of Mr. T “Pity the Fool” !!
I don’t know, Mike. I still think that it’s possible that he/she may be experiencing some doubts.
I will continue to pray for the conversion of sinners ( me included)! :)
Mike: Satan lives through the likes of SoMG
This kind of stuff kills any credibility you aspired to….
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