YouTube leaves Planned Parenthood bloopers videos alone; Personhood USA issues challenge
Read backstories: Part I and Part II.
On October 28, YouTube notified Personhood USA that its (2 identical) videos spotlighting the ignorance of a Planned Parenthood student group during an October 20 debate about Colorado’s Amendment 62 violated the students’ privacy rights. YouTube gave Personhood USA 48 hours to remove the videos.
Personhood USA responded that the debate was public and all involved had given permission to be recorded.
Personhood USA notified me tonight their videos are still live, and it has not heard back from YouTube, so “our argument might have carried the day with YouTube, or they may not have gotten to review the video.”
Commenters have noted that the 9:48 video I posted the other night from the debate was subsequently made private. They wondered whether YouTube censored it. No. The person who uploaded it has uploaded a shorter version showing just his portion of the debate:
Meanwhile, Personhood USA issued an interesting challenge to Planned Parenthood today:
We are willing to remove the video from YouTube, shocking as it is, if Planned Parenthood will publicly state that the No on 62 side of the debate was wrong, that a baby in the womb has a heartbeat days after conception, and that abortions performed at PP stop that beating heart and kill a living, growing, developing human being. If PP publicly makes these statements, which are well-known facts, we will take the YouTube video down immediately.
That’ll be the day.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I hate youtube! They pulled that video “Abortion at 9 weeks” video that a mom posted after an abortion clinic told her that her 9 week baby was just a blob. She had a medical abortion and passed her baby at home and was so horrified to see her fully formed baby with fingers, toes and a little face that she took photos and put them in a video. Someone complained and youtube pulled it due to “shocking and disgusting content” Considering the utter filth on youtube it is NONSENSE that a “blob” (thats all it is, right?) should be censored like that. I am tired of the censorship. Youtube is run by pro-aborts.
SydneyM, was it you who recently said “He was formed entirely by 5/6 weeks. He just got bigger. That was the only difference”?
And now you say “…her 9 week…fully formed baby with fingers, toes and a little face…”
Not sure that I would make that statement about a 2cm fetus which is decidely less than fully formed, especially in the facial features department.
cranium,
Would you agree that a baby in the womb has a heartbeat days after conception, and that abortions performed at PP stop that beating heart and kill a living, growing, developing human being?
“Not sure that I would make that statement about a 2cm fetus which is decidely less than fully formed, especially in the facial features department.
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Everyone reading this, including you, looked exactly like that at one stage of their human existence. In fact, I still am a ”blob o’ cells” (just lots more of them with more organization and specialization). As the smaller type, I could survive immersed in fluid but not in the atmosphere– now it’s the other way around. That’s unfortunate, really, I always thought it would be cool to be Aquaman.
Anyway, I think Sidney’s point regarding YouTube removing pro-life videos was that contrary to what this mom posting this video was led to believe, the fetus she passed had recognizable features which had a profound effect on her. She attempted to share that experience and was censored for her effort. That needs to be confronted and exposed.
Let’s focus on that instead of challenging and parsing the degree of recognition the mother may have experienced. Neither of us were there, and (to Sidney’s point) we can no longer view the empirical evidence she offered us since it has been censored by YouTube.
Most medicos agree that it is somewhere between three and six weeks, depending on how the gestation is being ‘counted’. So “days after conception” – no.
Yes abortion terminates the growth and development of a living organism which is part of the human species.
Would you also like to ask SydneyM if she would like to attempt to walk down the street with a six foot version of a 5/6 week fetus? Or exactly what the face of a nine week old fetus looks like?
A six foot tall 2 yr old would look pretty wild too, what with their disproportionately large heads and all….. does that also make them less “recognizable” or less “human” and worthy of the dehumanizing terms you enjoy throwing around? Gotta say “organism” instead of “human being”. Also worthy of slow dismemberment? Cause they don’t look like you? Hrmm?? We all go through changes during our lives from day one to death. Sometimes we don’t look so pretty, some of us never do. Doesn’t make us less worthy of life though.
There’s some beautiful women in the middle east right now who’s faces have been melted off by acid for the crime of being educated or *gasp!* Christian. They don’t look so pretty now. They should be slowly dismembered too right? They’re now no longer human enough for a right to life, right? Cause they’re face isn’t “recognizable” anymore. They don’t look like you. They can just die now… by YOUR choice right?
You’re twisted sometimes Cranium. So very intelligent, yet so very disconnected. So sad.
9wk old baby looks just like YOU at 9wks. If you have any worth or value now, why didn’t you have any value then? Cause you weren’t so “smart” then? So anyone, including yourself yesterday or years ago, or before birth that isn’t as smart as you can just die too? Come on!
Extrapolate, extrapolate, extrapolate. Stick to the facts, not some self-serving flight of fancy.
How many six foot tall 2 year olds have you ever seen? If there were any they would be considered freaks by most people. There’s a good chance they could walk, talk, see and hear though. And the fact is that they would be ‘complete’, just a bit out of proportion.
But a 5/6 week fetus? That would be considered nothing less than a monster. Even at 9 weeks. Really. Take a look at the umpteen photos of fetuses week by week available on the internet. Would there be any chance of them being able to walk, talk, see or hear? Have a cogent thought process? Express character? Interact? They certainly couldn’t eat and digest. There are numerous requirements for life that they would fail to meet.
Your analogy of the sufferers of so-called islamic tradition simply is not valid.
Disconnected? Disconnected is not recognizing that the majority just do not see fetuses as ‘babies’, especially when they look the way they do. Or that most people don’t see fetuses as ‘complete’ human beings. That while they are reliant on the mother for survival they do not constitute an individual entity.
It’s not about the smarts, it’s about the total physiology.
They certainly couldn’t eat and digest. There are numerous requirements for life that they would fail to meet.
What do you think the umbilical cord is for? Decoration?
What “numerous requirements for life” does a 5/6 or 9 week or any pre-born baby fail to meet? From the moment of conception the pre-born child is a developing human being. You look on any pregnancy site and it’ll show that developmental process.
There’s some out-of-the-womb human beings that can’t eat or talk very well or even at all. Some can’t hear or walk. Doesn’t make them less human, it just means they can’t or have trouble doing those things.
Who cares if a 9 week old doesn’t reason the same way or doesn’t hear like us. Doesn’t make them any less human just because they’re in a different developmental stage. It’s still human life.
If something isn’t alive, it’s either dead or never was alive in the first place. Unborn babies sure as heck aren’t dead or never alive, because they’re growing and developing from the moment they’re conceived. It’s just basic science.
Cran,
The 10 week fully formed baby I delivered into my hand had fully formed features. Including a face.
When in fetal development does a child grow a face? Link please.
(Please say 24 weeks when the heart begins beating. Please say 24 weeks when the heart begins beating. Buhahahahahahaha!!!)
Brainiac,
A seven week old embryo has eyes, nose, ears and heart beat.
Cranium, what kind of science is the silly vision of walking down the street with a giant fetus? Fully formed is what she used to describe fully recognizable. Of course, humans aren’t fully formed until about 25 years old, but I’m pretty sure by then we have more legal rights.
A fetus deserves the right to develop without interference that is meant to end his or her life.
You don’t consider walking down the street with a six feet tall 9wk old “fetus” a flight of fancy when you say it for your purposes but walking down the street with a 6ft two year old for my purposes is? If you can journey into the ridiculous for your arguments, then so can I.
There are many people at all ranges of ages that lack your requirements for life. People in comas, conscious people on life support, spinal cord injured people on feeding tubes and breathing machines or anyone with a feeding tube or breathing machine, developmentally disabled or elderly people who can’t eat, see, or hear because of birth defects or disease. People whose kidneys or livers never functioned or do not function and have regular dialysis…. etc etc. And simply because of their dependence on outside aid and support to live you’re suggesting that they are not “alive” enough or “human” enough for a right to live and continue? So they can be ripped to shreds by “choice” not their own?
And those victims of FACTUAL happening right now Islamic violence are perfectly valid since you are judging preborn babies on their appearance as well as independence. Those victims no longer look very human, therefore they meet your requirement for non-life and can be ripped to shreds by “choice”. Your logic is inconsistent.
And whether or not the “majority” sees a group of people as “human” is irrelevant. There have been many dismal chunks of time in human history where one group or another was not seen as fully human or human at all. Never was true and never was right. Same here.
Cranium, a 6 foot newborn would be pretty horrifying too. I don’t understand what your point is. My son at 5 weeks post conception (7 weeks LNMP) had a face. I can’t convince you of it but I have the ultrasound in my son’s memory box in his closet. It was my first ultrasound of him and it was awesome! I was pro-life and knew the facts of fetal development and yet somehow I was still surprised how formed he was a little more than a month into his life. He had no fingers or toes yet but arms and legs and you could clearly see the orbits of his eyes and his nose and mouth. He didn’t look like he does now, obviously but he was still clearly HUMAN and not animal or blob-like. I am smiling now just thinking of that magical moment seeing him. So precious.
Carla saw this video too. I wish I could show you. The baby fit onto a large spoon. Fingers, toes, and yes, a face that was human looking. This was not a blob of cells. Just because a baby at 9 weeks wouldn’t win a Miss America pageant means nothing. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all. And looks don’t determine personhood.
There is a little girl on the the learning channel named Julianna who was born without a face. Her face was a gaping hole and her eye were almost sealed over because she had no sockets in her skull. She has endured countless surgeries. She looks frightening and like a monster to be truthful but inside she is a perfectly normal little 5 year old girl with normal intelligence and normal little girl preferences (dress up and dolls etc…) I guess since she doesn’t have a normal face she is not human in your eyes Cranium? Would say that to her family who love her dearly?
Cranium, I apologize for saying “fully formed” when I should have said “fully recognizable”. I wasn’t fully formed myself until I was 26 and delivered my son because until that point my breasts were still considered “immature”. Did you know that? A woman’s breasts only mature after she births a child? I didn’t know that till my doctor told me. So I guess a bunch of women in their 50’s who never had children could be killed because parts of their bodies have not completed development.
I also think its pretty funny you come up with the idea of a walking 6 foot embryo while chiding others for using the analogy of a 6 foot walking toddler. But you again have given us your lofty opinion that to be human and have rights you must eat and poop. Good to know.
Sydney,
Oh I saw it and was so moved by it that I put it up on my facebook page. Much to the horror of some of my friends who claim to be prolife! (Oh well.) The baby on the spoon was exactly like my baby Jamie. The one I held in my hand. I thought the video was awesome only because this mother was brutally honest and straightforward and immediately knew what she had done. She made the video to try and spare others!!
“What do you think the umbilical cord is for? Decoration?” – no, it’s how the mother sustains the life of the baby. Who’s going to walk down the street with that attached?
“What “numerous requirements for life” does a 5/6 or 9 week or any pre-born baby fail to meet?” – how many do you need? The point is that it is not able to survive outside the womb. Nor does it look ‘complete’, ‘normal’ or like a post-birth infant.
“the pre-born child is a developing human being.” – ah, so you do understand.
“Doesn’t make them any less human just because they’re in a different developmental stage. It’s still human life” – what I’ve tried to explain is that most people do see a fetus as ‘less human’ because it is ‘developing’.
I didn’t say it wasn’t alive Marauder, the key word is developing. And at 5/6 or even 9 weeks, it does not look like a ‘finished’ human.
“A seven week old embryo has eyes, nose, ears and heart beat.” – and where are they located, and do they all work?
“Cranium, what kind of science is the silly vision of walking down the street with a giant fetus?” – ask SydneyM, she’s the one who said “He was formed entirely by 5/6 weeks. He just got bigger. That was the only difference”
“My son at 5 weeks post conception (7 weeks LNMP) had a face. I can’t convince you of it” – but I am convinced. Where were the features placed? How many of them worked?
That kind of talk isn’t getting going to get you that toasted roast beef at Quizno’s, lol!
Actually, it is kind of neat to look at other creatures’ embryonic development, too. Humans look very distinctly human, though, despite some pro-aborts comments comparing them to brine shrimp on other threads and blogs.
In another world, Planned Barrenhood’s discomfort would be funny. But in this world, since they are using disinformation to make money killing very small human beings, their willful ignorance is tragic.
Cranium, I was developing for most of my life. At 16 years of age you would say I was still a developing human being. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? That we are not people until we are totally done development? Then you could claim the right to kill your kids well into their 20’s! Or that fetuses “depend” on their mothers for survival. My 4 year old (newly 4…I still can’t believe how big he is getting) still depends on me for survival. Can I kill him? I know some college graduates who still depend on their parents lol! Guess their parents have the right to kill them too huh?
A person is a person from conception. It does not matter if that person is still developing. It does not matter if that person depends on others for survival. A person has a right to live.
Also, at 5 or 6 weeks my son had a face. I am not sure if any of his features functioned. I doubt he could see, I know he couldn’t hear that early. He certainly could not speak. Your point? I hope you never contract an illness that steals your sight or your hearing or suffer a stroke that takes your speech. You would have then lost your right to life Cranium, according to your logic. The ability of our body to function a certain way does not impart personhood.
“the pre-born child is a developing human being.” – ah, so you do understand.
WRONG I don’t and I never have nor do I think I ever will understand any pro-abort/choicers position on abortion. What I mean is: I absolutely have no understanding of how it’s okay to destory a pre-born life PERIOD
Developing human still is human life. Pre-born baby is STILL a life. Until a human being is dead, they’re still a life. Devloping human being STILL means they’re a life. Developing doesn’t mean they’re not a life, it means they’re developing. Which, if you think about it, we all do even after we leave the womb. Kids aren’t fully developed adults, but they’re still human beings who are lives. Pre-born babies are still a life.
“Doesn’t make them any less human just because they’re in a different developmental stage. It’s still human life” – what I’ve tried to explain is that most people do see a fetus as ‘less human’ because it is ‘developing’.
Some people saw Africian Americans as “less human” too, didn’t change the fact that they were in fact, human beings and were in fact, lives.
The Nazis saw Jews and many other people as “less human”, but they still were human and they still were lives.
I could go on and on. It doesn’t matter how people “see” a pre-born baby, that being is STILL a life even when he or she is in the developing stages.
A person is a person from conception.
Sydney, I most wholeheartedly agree.
(*ahem*)
Hint, hint, y’all.
The simple fact that abortion is legal and accepted while murder, genocide and rape are not is indicative of how it is viewed by the majority of people.
The physiological deterioration of individuals as life goes by is something that occurs to people who were born and existed. In most peoples’ minds there is no comparison.
What, no constructive criticisms or response you can supply Paladin? ;-)
Cranium: “…how it is viewed by the majority of people.”
How the majority of people believe on a certain issue does not change facts. This quote illustrates the mindset of many to most pro-choicers.
Well it does actually. The fact that abortion is legal. The fact that most people see it as a choice that should be available. The fact that most people don’t see fetuses as ‘complete’ babies. The fact that nearly everybody believes that raped women should be allowed to abort.
And the majority of people in America say they believe in god, so where does that leave your “how it is viewed…mindset”?
The majority of people in America now believe slavery is repugnant whereas at one time before it was considered “humane” and “sane” by the majority.
The point is that what is right is not always popular and what is popular is not always right.
Not that what is right is NEVER popular or what is popular is NEVER right.
Right now murdering preborn human beings when inconvenient or ill-conceived is legally “right”, as was slavery and segregation at one time. Eventually preborn murder will be yet one more embarrassment in history that we have since corrected.
No Sioko, we move forwards from slavery, we moved forwards to women being allowed to vote, we moved forwards to women having control of their fertility and we will move forwards to gay marriage.
Yes, we will stop treating children like disposable possessions, we let them grow up and vote, we stop demonizing fertility, and we will all agree that abortion is murder.
What, no constructive criticisms or response you can supply Paladin?
Your troll suit must be degrading your memory, Cranium.
See here.
It’s really a very simple choice.
Ah, the three wise monkeys manouvre. How clever!
Cranium,
Fact: legal abortion has never been the view of the majority of the people. Nine people decided to take the choice away from the majority in 1973 (less than nine, actually.) And individual justices and that same nine person body have imposed the tyranny ever since. You are an idiot if you think abortion would survive a majority vote. You have your indoctrinated view because you make a big deal out the opinions of the immoral libs in CA and NY which dictate pop opinion. Put it to a vote and you lose. Funny that you’d want us to do something to protect your life, but would put qualifications on the lives you are willing to protect. Sorry, but the day you face life-threatening danger, I’ll be busy imitating you, worrying about me, my kind, my comfort, my ease, and I won’t have any time to be concerned about you, much less lift a finger to spare you from the fate of the children you couldn’t care less about.
Would it be rude of me to emphasize the “You are an idiot” part of my comment?
John S, there have been statistics provided on this very site that show that a large majority of people either support abortion fully or support it in certain circumstances.