The stigma of being “the abortion girl”
Noting this was “a glimpse into the heart of a self-conscious abortion worker,” Lila Rose of LiveAction.org forwarded a link last night to the following post at The Abortioneers blog. Lila added, “Pray for this woman and the many like her. It is strange – she seems to know what she does.”
This worker’s feelings demonstrate abortion is only becoming more stigmatized over time, not less, as would be expected. After 38 years of legalization, people should be used to abortion, right?
Wrong. Only 2 days ago Gallup released poll findings showing abortion has moved up to the #2 spot (from #3 last year) as the most controversial culture issue in America. And by a wide margin. More of us, the majority of us, actually (51%), consider abortion “morally wrong” than “morally acceptable” (39%).
This girl had the added stigma of working at a Planned Parenthood clinic, whose brand has toileted in recent years, thanks mostly to Lila and the Live Action team.
The entire post is worth a read. Here’s an excerpt:
Today, while in my gym’s locker room, I saw the same group of women I always do. You know the type: working moms who are trying to get fit again after having babies and eager to have coveted “me time.” We usually make small talk about such and such trainer, the workout, how we’re losing/not losing weight, the weather, etc. A couple of them exchanged business cards.
Then I got asked the question, “where do you work?” I’m ashamed to admit that I felt nervous. I wished I had Harry Potter’s magic cape that makes him invisible. I didn’t want to answer and I really had no idea what they’d think about it. (I de-stress at the gym. I don’t want to talk about work!) I gave my standard,”Oh, a health clinic” answer. My elusiveness was not appreciated or respected. They waited for more. (Harry Potter, take me away!) After shifting, I added (a little too quietly), “like Planned Parenthood.” Enter: uncomfortable silence. I was hoping they would just move the conversation onto other topics. No such luck. “Oh, no wonder you were vague. That could upset some people,” was the response. Quickly, I was excluded from the continued chat….
Okay, so I’m on my period and a little emotional, but still: I don’t know what happened to me! I got this terrible urge to make it very clear I’m not a baby hater, that I lurrrrrvvvv (not in a creepy way!) kids. I piped in. Loudly. I acted SUPER (!) excited for these two pregnant women I don’t even know. (I don’t get excited for pregnant women I don’t know.) “Oh, how EXCITING! That’s GREAT!” I exclaimed. Silence. So I upped the ante. I asked about the one who “just managed” to graduate from dental school, “Has she been sick?” Quickly, I got a scowled face stating firmly, “She’s happy. It wasn’t in their plans, but they’re VERY happy.”
WTF?? Did she think I was soliciting abortion and about to offer a discount? Now hyper worried, I said….
Still, I was totally “out there” and weird about the whole situation. And do I want to see those scowl faced women tomorrow? No. (Gulp.)
I know what I need to do though: stand up tall and just be myself. They don’t have to like the abortion girl…
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Awkward.
Well, they certainly don’t have to be quite so rude to “the abortion girl,” either. :(
What good might they have done by attempting to befriend this young woman instead of treating her so poorly? There should be a stigma attached to abortion. But people who work in the industry should be treated with as much kindness and graciousness as we can give them. I just don’t see Christ treating someone like this, so I hope these other ladies weren’t supposed to be representing Him. Just my two cents.
You choose your actions, you choose your consequences.
And I don’t think they were rude. The very best I could do if I were in the locker room with that girl is to merely exclude her from the conversation. It would be all I could do not to express my absolute disgust!
You also have to consider that this is her perception of the situation I’m sure if we were able to hear what those other women were thinking and feeling it wouldn’t be the way she perceved it. It is clear that she is uncomfortable about what she does and it will color how she sees peoples reactions.
Yes, indeed:
” I got this terrible urge to make it very clear I’m not a baby hater, that I lurrrrrvvvv (not in a creepy way!) kids.”
So, then, why can’t you just type “I love kids.” instead of mispelling (adds distance) and disclaiming (implies you think kid-loving folks are not all that wholesome)?
Facebook is now allowing the pre-born to have facebook accounts, hooray!!! Every single ultrasound image is another nail in the abortion industry’s coffin.
I agree, Kel.
I worry when I read things like this.
If she is ousted from conversation, then the woman becomes stronger NOT weaker in her pro-abortion convictions. There is a fine line. We must be friendly and help lead them to see the other side while not encouraging them or making them feel that what they do is acceptable. I hate to see something like this where they truly believe that they need to martyr themselves for this cause. So sad.
I will pray for this woman. She obviously knows that what she does is socially unaceptable, but now she is socially unacceptable as well– this just connects her more to what she does as who she is.
I agree with Ticia- that it is a one-sided account. However, her side is what is being read and pitied now by other pro-aborts. She will gain support for this and further be held to this horribly evil cause in a sisterhood of “us against them”. UGH!
If however this woman is correct and she finds that many people are uncomfortable around people employed by Planned Parenthood, this tells us something: Unlike what Planned Parenthood would like us to believe, they do not have a whole bunch of supporters. If society supported Planned Parenthood as they presented in this past year, this woman would not feel any sort of hesitancy about speaking about her place of work. She’d be like, “Oh, I work at a Planned Parenthood” and they’d be like “Oh cool. It must feel great to have a job in which you help others like that. Man! Can you believe some people actually want to defund your clinic? What’s up with that?”. But this woman does not have the confidence this is what she will experience.
What she has written shows that there isn’t the support Planned Parenthood is trying to sell us into believing they have.
Lauren,
I’m with you, this was an awkward situation…..a civil conversation IMHO. Since I don’t know anyone personally who works in an abortion clinic, I would have been speechless, and avoided the conversation. I’m glad I wasn’t there.
Interesting reactions here. My gut reaction would be to ask “Why does it make you uncomfortable to say where you work?” I expect others to defend their positions the same way I do. I wouldn’t condemn or be disgusted with her. I’d just like to talk to her. Same as I would someone walking into a clinic.
No retribution, Janet. But don’t expect me to be chummy with a girl who escorts babies to their deaths. I can’t lie that big.
I just finished reading Unplanned (took me long enough, I know) and would love to hear Abby Johnson’s thoughts on this. It sounds awfully familiar.
She wasn’t at a pro-life fundraiser or a pro-life prayer vigil, folks. She was at the gym and the women there were NOT pro-lifers. They were ordinary women, going about their ordinary day. They were not representing anyone or anything but themselves.
This IS a glimpse of how Americans generally view people who kill babies for a living.
That “Janet” wasn’t Janet. It’s our resident troll who is still here, adopting the monikers of various other commenters in order to harass rather than actually discuss anything intellectually.
That is REALLY low Tony/Janet/MaryLee/Pamela to be using names of pro-life people here. It was one thing when you posted under different names to give yourself compliments, but this impersonation of others is extremely rude and childish, and it will not be tolerated. God love you.
@Darlene: not sure where the conclusion that such response makes her stronger, not weaker in her pro-abortion convictions. Many times this is an assumption we make: we don’t want to distance people so we’re “nice” to them. Personally, I find such spinelessness disgusting and perfidious, but that’s just my opinion. It’s nice to have a frank and honest discussion once in a while. These women were real with the writer. I applaud them for not trying to mask their own honest reactions. and I mean honest in the sense of informed by the truth: what the writer does is abhorrent. If that’s her choice, she must also choose to deal with the consequences.
What do you do at PP?
What do you like about it?
Why?
How does abortion help women?
i don’t know. I wouldn’t mind picking her brain. Maybe she is considering getting out of the biz.
I can abhor what someone does and
still hold a civil conversation.
They were ordinary women, going about their ordinary day. They were not representing anyone or anything but themselves.
How do we actually know this, ninek? How do we know anything about these women? And if they were Christians – and I sincerely hope they weren’t – then their responses, in my opinion, could have been more charitable.
I think she might be convicted about her job, also. i hope so
Sounds like everyone of those women is pregnant or close to someone who is. I think it’s very natural, when hearing there is an abortion clinic worker RIGHT THERE, to feel an instant visceral protection instinct of the babies at risk. Logically she doesn’t have forceps and a vacuum in her gym bag, but mommy instinct is not often logical. I have been to my “local” PP to sidewalk witness and I AVOID it while pregnant because of the deep threat I feel there against my child (and they seem so fragile anyway considering I’ve only got 3 living babes and lost 4).
I don’t blame them for their silence, and honestly am impressed by it and what little they chose to say they kept positive. They could have been very rude. Instead of “She’s VERY happy.” they could of said, “She would never KILL her child if that’s what you’re implying!” “Abortion Girl” knows she is not in the majority, that MOST people KNOW what abortion does and see it for what it is; BABY KILLING. Paula HC is right.
ChristianHippie
First of all, I love your name because I am totally a Christian Hippie as well ;)
Second of all, I have the same feeling around abortion clinics when I’m pregnant. During my last pregnancy, I thought about going into the PP down the street from me “under cover” to see what they’d say, but I just couldn’t go near the place.
Hm. Considering they were just at the gym, just your average, everyday women, I find this very interesting.
If they were Christians, I would hope they could have at least been more kind about it. But then, she admitted she was nervous and on her period, so her perspective is probably skewed. I would hope that I could keep my cool and at carry on a civil conversation with her, but I just don’t know if I would have been able to. Abortion breaks my heart and I just don’t know what I would do if I ran into someone in an ordinary place like the gym who works in the abortion industry. It’s weird enough when I go to a clinic to pray – I’ve been psyching myself up and I expect to see abortion workers.
Maybe this is also a good warning to us pro-lifers to be ready at any moment to defend our beliefs/know what to say if we run into an abortion worker? I know it would have shocked me.
From the blog:
anti-anti said…
What a load of doo-doo.
“First of all, you never HAVE to take what life gives you. What kind of reasoning is that? If someone grabs your purse do you not chase after them? If you have a cold do you not pound NyQuil? Life is all about getting through the nasties and making it better for yourself. Not taking abuse and suffering consequences.“
Yup. Consequence free living. Abortion makes it possible to never have to grow up. This is a “bunch of bull” as they like to say apparently. Anyone who tells you that is selling something…………. oh wait :(
Lauren: Me too! :)
Maybe she is post abortive?
Carla @ 4:05 and 4:45 pm,
I thank God you are here to give your wise perspective.
~ ~ ~ ~
To those who mentioned it…. as Christians, why should we hold Christians who may be responding to this young lady to a higher standard than non-Christians? Shouldn’t we ALL be following the Golden Rule whether we profess a religion or not? It makes us sound as if we Christians feel we are better than everyone else.
So what if she’s post-abortive?
Kel and Bobby,
Thanks for taking care of the “Janet” troll’s comment. I haven’t been around much lately, so if it doesn’t sound like me, it probably isn’t. :-)
Hi Peter,
So what?
Then I have something in common with her. Many that work for PP are post abortive and that thought always crosses my mind.
I have much to say to post abortive women.
If she is so ashamed of telling people where she works then she needs to find a new job. Since she is ashamed that means she knows she is working in the wrong place. If she agreed with what PP does & likes working there then she would have said so.
I can see how she might feel alienated, and I don’t think the sudden switch into talking about pregnant acquaintances was remotely courteous, but impolite or not, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for her. I am half-way between amused and outraged that she just doesn’t get it. She works in an industry that kills children, for the largest organization in that industry, and she’s shocked–shocked, she tells us!–that anyone could find that fact threatening. Of course the conversation got awkward, of course the other women felt defensive on behalf of the pregnant women they knew. This woman’s company actively targets those women and their children, and while this girl might not have been about to suggest abortions on the spot, there’s no getting around the fact that that is PP’s moneymaker.
Yes, the women who made her feel uncomfortable could have handled the situation much more gracefully. But they should have done so for their own benefits, not for the narrator’s. She made her bed. If she has to lie in it, then that was her choice.
Many years ago I had a Catholic friend who got a job at the local PP clinic answering the phones.
She told me about her job because I believe that maybe she felt that she was doing something wrong (which she was).
I asked her what sort of job she did and she told me that she didn’t have anything to do with the abortions. She just answered the phone and took information. She didn’t book appts for abortions I don’t think.
Anyways, the long and short of it is that I encouraged her to find other work and that God would help her family (they were desperate for a second income because they couldn’t manage on one income).
It took about a year but she finally quit the job.
I agree with Carla and Kel. You catch more flies with honey as the saying goes. And we also must be patient with people. Sometimes it takes a little time and a lot of courage for people to do the right thing. :)
She’s covering her face so freaks don’t stalk her. I’d do the same thing. Rabid anti-choicers can be terrifying. Considering the fact that a man just came to Madison with the express intention of killing Planned Parenthood employees, we can hopefully all agree that her fears of being harmed or stalked are justified. She’ not ashamed, as some people suggest. What planet are you people from?
*Before anyone waste my time or their time- I expressly denoted that I am referring to RABID anti-choicers. Not ALL anti-choicers. Don’t embarrass yourself by suggesting that I’m generalizing.
Wow. What a great read. It’s just too bad I’ve already read “The Telltale Heart”.
Pro-lifers and people with strong religion have to pay a price for their beliefs in many job settings and social situations.
It is fitting that a woman who works for planned parenthood understand that she won’t be able to feel comfortable with the majority of people who strongly disapprove of what her organization does.
If we fail to discourage wrong behavior, we’ll just get more of it.
Maybe the social reinforcement of what this woman already knows will help her to leave planned parenthood.
So what would have been the appropriate response? I ask honestly, I don’t know that I could have done much better being caught off guard by a clinic worker out of context with no preparation.
I am sure that many of the responses are appropriate.
I would hate to miss the opportunity to talk with her. I would engage her in conversation. Why? Because she isn’t spitting in my face as some proaborts have done.
Nothing shocks me much anymore so I would love to know what she thinks about her “job.”
Dang.
I thought I was “abortion girl!!” :(
I don’t think those women’s response was inadequate. I can understand being uncomfortable talking about how happy someone is with their pregnancy with someone who wouldn’t have a problem killing said baby if the mom wanted it to be done. I think the response she got, considering who she works for, was the most civil those women could muster.
Can someone explain to me what an abortioneer is?
You never know when, or where, you’ll meet a pro-life person, or an abortion clinic worker. If I was pregnant, I’d be VERY uncomfortable meeting an abortion clinic worker, anywhere, at all! There would always be the fear that they’d try to sell me an abortion. They’d pry into my life, “just getting to know you,” and when they find info on any weakness or deprivation at all, that would be the excuse to start in. They’d try to convince me that I just don’t have what it takes to be a mother, that it’s just not possible to have the baby. Then if I had a miscarriage. (edited by moderator)
If was pregnant though, I’d probably keep it a secret as long as possible, partly to avoid such conversations. I had a pregnancy scare once and I was very cautious who I discussed it with. Call it a maternal protection of the baby not to want the whole world to know. We all know that abortion is out there. We all know where we can get it, if we want it. Some of us know that not everyone who claims to be pro-choice actually is, or rather, they’re only pro-choice if you want an abortion. If you want to give birth, they lose interest in respecting your choice in a hurry. This can make people defensive around those who are pro-abortion, especially if they know that person works in the industry and has a financial interest in seeing as many people abort as possible.
“The abortion girl” needs to understand that pregnant women, and friends of pregnant women, who want give birth, are going to be uncomfortable around people involved in abortion. They may have been pressured into an unwanted abortion in the past, or had a friend who was. They fear being pressured out of this wanted pregnancy, and the presence of an abortion worker magnifies these fears. Abortion girl needs to understand that some people are maternally protective of their young, and she won’t be accepted by them when they or their friends are pregnant. That’s just something that goes with her job. If she doesn’t like it, she needs to find another job.
SomeGuy @1:42am Can someone explain to me what an abortioneer is?
As far as I’ve been able to gather, those who perform abortions (yes – there are abortion doctors who visit there) and those who advocate abortions (abortion groupies?) consider themselves pioneers for abortion – abortion-eers.
However, since there is a strong profit motive, both financially from the sale of abortion-related services and relationally (severing relationships with sex partners by killing the consequences – their love child) I tend to think of abortioneers as abortion – profiteers. (Those who will stop at nothing to attain their desired profit.)
Cecila,
I was always Pregnant and Proud of it!!
I doubt they “sell” abortions in restaurants, stores, sporting events, the post office and the gym. Or maybe that is on their list of “things to do.”
If they did wouldn’t pregnant women have some words for them?? Wouldn’t you have some words for them??
I pity the fool “abortion girl” that tries to sell an abortion to a pregnant mommy out in public.
Carla,
That’s what exactly what I thought! If I was pregnant and someone tried to sell me on an abortion, especially in public, I would very loudly defend my baby. I’m Irish-Italian and can get pretty loud and intense when I’m defending something I love!!!!
You know, pretty much all of her discomfort is in her own mind. The statements by the other women were very mild almost neutral. If she didn’t have a guilty conscience, she wouldn’t have felt bad at all. There are plenty of inglorious jobs out there that folks might not brag about, of course they aren’t evil, just low status.
I think it’s very natural, when hearing there is an abortion clinic worker RIGHT THERE, to feel an instant visceral protection instinct of the babies at risk.
At age 53 I hardly have to worry about being pregnant, but when I think of my newborn grandson and realize that there are babies aborted (not many, but they do happen) not much smaller than him, it makes me feel sad. I also feel sad about the babies all over the world who don’t have access to good health care like he does and adequate nutrition and shelter.
They are at the gym, in the changing room. They don’t know she isn’t going to make some nasty crack about being overweight, or sloppy, or make a rude remark about babies. People who don’t like infants do things like that, heedlessly. I think the silence was remarkably diplomatic. And, she was mumbling about it, too. She let them know she was a little freeped out, and more than a little dishonest and not- open- about her job. I’ve had jobs where I’m not thrilled. It took years of odd conversations to learn what to say that was bland and boring, to move the conversation along. And, then, when out of it, it took decades to understand how wrong that job was, on so many levels.
These are half-dressed women dealing with the less-than-thrilling body changes- overweight, stretch-marks- and here’s a woman with none of that, who could be very thoughtlessly judgmental. People without children really haven’t had their ego on the rack, like when the child you loves more than anything calls you fat, and you can’t get angry or defensive. They just don’t have the muscular strength and spiritual suppleness to be kind and thoughtful. Think about it- manners were most refined, and careful, and highest-when moms had lots of children. There was lots of practice in being kind to be had.
I’m sure she Luurrvs children about as much, and as thoughtfully, as homer simpson luurrvvs doughnuts.
People without children really haven’t had their ego on the rack, like when the child you loves more than anything calls you fat, and you can’t get angry or defensive. They just don’t have the muscular strength and spiritual suppleness to be kind and thoughtful. Think about it- manners were most refined, and careful, and highest-when moms had lots of children. There was lots of practice in being kind to be had.
Ari, I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with your premise here. I am an adult woman without children–I’d love to have some, just haven’t found the right guy yet–and I would like to believe that my lack of children does not make me incapable of “the muscular strength and spiritual suppleness to be kind and thoughtful”. Having children doesn’t make you kind; my mother has never been kind or thoughtful to anyone, as far as I know, and she had three children. I make it a priority to exercise kindness toward everyone, because I never want to be like her. (And not having children of my own doesn’t mean I’ve never experienced a hurtful thing said by a child I love–I adore my nieces and nephews, and they have made some intensely cutting remarks that I had to respond to with love and grace.)
Also, culturally and historically, “manners” do not correlate to number of children. My ancestors were pioneers who had huge families, and from the stories passed down, they barely grasped the concept of manners. They were bawdy, blunt, and confrontational. You seem to be idealizing the past as a “better time” without fully understanding the variety of cultures that existed then, and their different ideas of what manners actually were.
Ari,
People without children really haven’t had their ego on the rack, like when the child you loves more than anything calls you fat, and you can’t get angry or defensive. They just don’t have the muscular strength and spiritual suppleness to be kind and thoughtful.
How nice to know that you feel all people without children are always deficient and lacking in some way when compared to those with children. What about all those people who are infertile and can’t have children, or all those people who can’t adopt a child even though they would desperately love to welcome a child into their home? I’d love to be a fly on the wall when you make such a statement to their faces.
The last two commenters (Katey & Enigma) need to re-read ari’s post. It is clear she is saying CHILDREN do not possess the muscular strength and spiritual suppleness to be kind and thoughtful. I read it in its context; notice it comes right on the heels of explaining the insult the child doesn’t realize he/she has made, “you can’t get angry or defensive” and then the phrase that ticked the two of you off.
She is not bashing women who are not mothers. If I’m wrong, ari, please correct me, but I actually had to go back looking for the purported insult to see how anyone could construe it like they did. Going from “the child you love” to “they” in the next sentence could be the problem, but I understood it as they=children. Is that right? As for “lots of practice in being kind to be had”, that would be for the children and the parents and I concur (as one of a family of 9).
klynn73, point taken. Re-reading the post, I see what you mean, though I didn’t at all the first couple times I read it. I think the misunderstanding was caused by the pronoun “they”–which I automatically applied to “people who don’t have children” instead of to the singular “a child you love”. Ari, I apologize.
ari: People without children really haven’t had their ego on the rack, like when the child you loves more than anything calls you fat, and you can’t get angry or defensive. They just don’t have the muscular strength and spiritual suppleness to be kind and thoughtful. Think about it- manners were most refined, and careful, and highest-when moms had lots of children.
It wouldn’t necessarily follow that women going back to having that average number of kids would “turn back the clock,” though. Things like that can be coincidental, rather than cause-and-effect.
As for “people without children” – hey, you need to talk to high school teachers, whether they have their own kids or not. You best leave your ego at the door, there. ; )
These feministas should consider ordering some of those robin’s egg blue head to toe burqas. It will serve at least three purposes:
1. Conceal their identity
2. Hide those unsigthly pounds.
3. And they can find work as bee keepers.
The photo is a cross between the uni-bomber composite sketch and a taliban babe.
We use to call that kind of packaging ‘ a pig in a poke’ or in the latin ‘caveat emptor’, which in the parlance of today’s market place means: buyer beware.
‘Take my wife. No really take my wife!’
[We miss you Rodney Dangerfield.]
The wicked flee when no one pursues.
I have an older sister who is convinced her siblings hate her because she is poster girl for liberal humunist issues.
No one ‘shuns’ her. We just avoid talking about politics and such around her.
When she broaches the subjects, I hijack the conversation and steer it in another direction.
She once ask me if I had any friends who were ‘gay’. I said none that I am aware of, but I have two good friends, a man and a woman, who were formerly homosexual.
I thought her eyes bugged out and I thought her head was going to explode.
Gay Softball League Limit On Straight Players OK’d
By GENE JOHNSON
Associated Press
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015218590_apusgaysoftball1stldwritethru.html
SEATTLE —
A gay softball organization can keep its rule limiting the number of heterosexual players on each team, but allegations by three players who say they were disqualified from a tournament because they weren’t gay enough can proceed to trial, a federal judge said.
The North American Gay [male homosexual] Amateur Athletic Alliance [NAGAAA] oversees gay softball leagues in dozens of U.S. cities and runs an annual tournament called the Gay [male homosexual] Softball World Series. Three men claim in a lawsuit filed last year that their team’s second-place finish in the 2008 tournament in Washington state was nullified because they are bisexual, not gay, and thus their team exceeded the limit of two non-gay players.
[Evidently HAGAAA does not allow ‘switch hitting’ or going ‘both ways’.]
‘U.S. District Judge John Coughenour ruled Tuesday that the organization has a First Amendment right to limit the number of heterosexual players, much as the Boy Scouts have a constitutional right to exclude gays [male homsexuals].
“It would be difficult for NAGAAA to effectively emphasize a vision of the gay [male homosexual] lifestyle rooted in athleticism, competition and sportsmanship if it were prohibited from maintaining a gay [male homosexual] identity,” the judge wrote.
However, Coughenour did say that questions remain about the way the softball association applied its rule, including whether the questions asked about the men’s sexuality at a protest hearing were unnecessarily intrusive. Therefore, the case can proceed toward a trial set for Aug. 1, he said.
The minutes say rumors had persisted for years about whether D2 was stacking its team with straight ringers. In addition to the three plaintiffs, the team had two designated straight players. The organization says it has always considered bisexuals [switch hitters] to meet the definition of “gay” [male homosexual] for roster purposes, but the minutes also note that one official involved in the decision to disqualify D2 commented that “this is not a bisexual world series. This is a gay [male homosexual] world series.”
“Plaintiff’s allegations about defendant’s treatment of bisexuality remain of central importance to this case,” the judge said. “Defendant could still be liable for its actions.”
Chris Stoll, a spokesman for the National Center for Lesbian Rights in San Francisco [NCLR], which is representing the three men, said Friday its lawyers were reviewing the opinion and legal options.
[Here we see another example of perpetuating steretypes: Intrinsic animosity between male and female homosexuals. The [NCLR] clearly does not have a dog in this fight. Something else must be motivating the aggressively hostile act.]
“We think that the law is clear; NAGAAA doesn’t have a First Amendment right to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation,” he said.
[I wonder how many pairs of Birkenstocks ms Stoll has in her wardrobe. One pair for each flannel shirt would be my guess.]
I don’t think the photo is of the author of the Abortioneer’s post. I think it’s an illustration photo.
“She’ not ashamed, as some people suggest. What planet are you people from?”
Um, we’re from that planet where we read the author’s words. You can read the excerpt that Jill provided, and/or go to the original blog and read it entirety. I know I’m old, but one might try reading rather than skimming. Many a misunderstanding could be avoided by taking just a little bit of time.
Many of the abortion advocates who post here have a lot of anger in their comments. Why is that? Roe v Wade hasn’t been obliterated yet, unlike so many millions of viable, healthy developing children. The media’s on their side, the president’s on their side, and still the law is even on their side. Why so angry? Could it be an internal conflict? Could it be projecting? Could it be that abortion industry workers truly don’t understand the nature of why their business is protested?
Back when I smoked cigarrettes, I thought those anti-smoking zealots were a real pain in the neck. But you know what? Even so I kept trying to quit until I succeeded. Even so, smoking has become less tolerated than I ever dreamed possible.
The abortion business is dying in a similar way, except in the future there will be fewer abortions than smokers sneaking a puff. Abortion fans may hate pro-lifers, but it won’t be the hard-core pro-life activists that put abortion out of business once and for all. It will be ordinary people who can see the humanity and value of life. I meet a lot of people who wouldn’t go protest or ‘walk for life’, but the idea of killing small children in the womb is revolting to them. Keep taking swipes at us, abortion fans, while your industry implodes around you. Remember what the characters said in Jurassic Park: Life breaks free.
“…smoking has become less tolerated than I ever dreamed possible. The abortion business is dying in a similar way, except in the future there will be fewer abortions than smokers sneaking a puff.”
Ninek, I long for the day when huge class-action lawsuits are leveled against the abortion industry, like what happened to tobacco companies. Every time I see one of those commercials with people disappearing (dying prematurely from tobacco use) I envision the same for the end of abortion in the U.S.
It doesn’t surprise me that someone would be uncomfortable admitting that they work at PP or a clinic because, regardless of if they actually participate in the abortions or not, they are playing a role in killing babies and that innocent blood is on their hands. They know it and they know that we know it. To quote a doctor “A person’s a person, NO MATTER HOW SMALL.”
Abortion girl feels awkward and bad telling people where she works because she knows that something is wrong with it. My husband likes to follow his gut feelings. 99% of the time, following his gut feelings lead to blessings. He’s always said that that tugging on your gut, that feeling, is the Holy Spirit trying to guide us. It’s God pulling on us, trying to tug us down His path, trying to help us follow His will. All humans long to be close to God, even if they don’t “know” Him or realize it. He calls to us and our hearts call back to Him – it’s written in us. We can try to ignore it. We can try to drown it out. We can try to rationalize it away by telling ourselves rational lies but the truth will never change and the truth will out. When we sin, we should feel shame. We should feel that God (and our brothers and sisters) are disappointed in us. We should be sorry. Why? Because we are children of a King and we should behave better. As Christians, I think it is our responsibility to love each other. You can love someone but still show them that you don’t approve of their choices, that you are disappointed in them, that they should be ashamed of themselves. Loving them is wanting God’s will for them. God’s will won’t lead them anywhere that will cause them reason to feel shameful. I will be praying for abortion girl and others in her “field” to listen to their gut feelings…to have the courage to follow God and trust in His will.
I always called that abortioneer “Abort A Girl”.
What is “About A Girl” supposed to mean, anyway? That abortion “rights” are about girls or something? Half the people killed in abortions are girls, but you don’t hear the abortioneers talking about THOSE girls and their rights very often.
Well, I must say I am happy to see that at least some of PPH employees consciences are still able to be pricked by the sheer wrongness of the abortion industry. As a believer-disciple in the Lord Jesus Christ, it is evident that God is dealing with her heart regarding this life issue and choosing employment in such an environment. My prayer for this young lady is that God will place people in her life to help her thru the transition from being employed in the abortion industry, to surrendering her life’s purpose to Jesus and becoming pro-life, or even an advocate for the lives of pre-born human beings. May her heart continue to become even more tender and may the conviction of participation in abortion become an even heavier weight, is my prayer. My heart goes out to her. She’s been sold a lie (by PPH) and it’s like she is just starting to awake out of a sleep-induced state. May she run to the compassion of Jesus Christ.
yor bro ken, if you want to post about things that have no relation to this site, why don’t you get a blog?
If I was pregnant, I’d be VERY uncomfortable meeting an abortion clinic worker, anywhere, at all! There would always be the fear that they’d try to sell me an abortion. They’d pry into my life, “just getting to know you,” and when they find info on any weakness or deprivation at all, that would be the excuse to start in.
I wouldn’t necessarily be afraid that they’d try to get me to have an abortion, but I might not be able to shake the feeling that they were A) only acting happy I was pregnant because I was happy I was pregnant, not because every human life should be celebrated, or B) silently judging me for not having had an abortion.
I’m with Kel and Carla on how this girl should be treated.
klynn73: I’d LOVE to be in on that. I just graduated from law school and now I’m studying for the bar exam.
“His rod and staff they comfort me,” means that God’s convicting correction is often experienced as painful in the short run. The shepherd uses the rod to drop a sheep to its knees so it won’t wander over a cliff. When the Lord does this to us as people, the short trip to the ground sometimes stings and can be humiliating if there are onlookers as in the case here in the gym.
I thank God for His correction. Don’t ever pity one who is in error above valuing God’s lessons in their lives. The truth is dawning in this young woman’s heart. Her defenses and protests are crumbling. Pray that He who began a good work in her will be faithful to complete it, as we know He has promised in the day of the Lord Jesus Christ.
yor bro ken, I always enjoy your posts and hope you don’t change a thing. I like getting to know about the lives, personalities, and views of the prolifers (and others) who visit here even if it at times we comment on issues that don’t relate directly to abortion — examples: our families, history, religion, employment, schooling, graduations and studies.